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I am trying to install Postgres 8.2 on debian lenny but when I do the configure command it returns with configure: error: readline library not found. What libraries do I need to start off with? 2009-12-09T10:34:08 Stuart: there are two, one for OpenSRF and one for Evergreen. one sec 2009-12-09T10:34:45 phasefx_: could you explain lassos in a few sentences? i've encountered them with org unit lassos in the opac, i think... never dug into them. 2009-12-09T10:34:48 Stuart: the first box highlighted near the top of http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.6.0:install 2009-12-09T10:35:03 *** eguest309 has left #Evergreen 2009-12-09T10:37:22 Sorry I forgot to mention, I am aimimg to install 1.4.0.7 as a test server, this is what we are using in our consortium at the moment hence the need for Postgres 8.2..... 2009-12-09T10:37:29 jeff: I was mostly alluding the evil (or beautiful) notion of using negated id's to refer a grouping mechanism, in contrast to a positive id referencing the usual table 2009-12-09T10:38:07 Stuart: same sort of thing in http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server:1.4.0:install, the instruction indicating a Makefile.install file 2009-12-09T10:38:29 that'll pull in prereqs for certain distros 2009-12-09T10:38:55 jeff: so there is no generic lasso mechanism 2009-12-09T10:39:58 phasefx_: ah. know anything about the org unit lassos as implemented/referenced in the OPAC? 2009-12-09T10:40:03 Thanks, but do I have to install postgres first? Following the page it would appear so and that is where I am getting the inital error. Can I download evergreen. run the makefile.install then install postgres? 2009-12-09T10:41:20 jeff: just that in some specific places (I'm thinking search methods) that expect org id's, you can put a negative value there instead, and the absolute value of that negated id will point to an org_lasso instead of an org unit, and the method logic will adapt. I don't know if there is an interface or anything for defining org lassos yet 2009-12-09T10:43:31 phasefx_: neat. thanks! 2009-12-09T10:43:50 Stuart: makefile.install used to install postgres for you, though I think that's changed. The instructions seem to imply that you should install postgres first, then do the pre-req fetcher 2009-12-09T10:47:24 off-topic, I really like xmonad 2009-12-09T10:47:25 That's what I thought and there lies my problem. When I run the .confugure command from http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=postgresql:8.2:debian (debian doesn't have 8.2 as a package) is when I get the error 'error: readline library not found' So is there a list oflibraries somewhere that I would need to install postgres? 2009-12-09T10:48:35 which debian are you using? 2009-12-09T10:50:05 I'd be tempted to go to packages.debian.org and see what prereqs the packaged versions of postgres need, and install any of those that are not postgres specific 2009-12-09T10:51:17 aptitude will tell you also 2009-12-09T10:51:20 you probably need libreadline5-dev or libreadline6-dev 2009-12-09T10:57:43 jeff: to use org_unit lassos, drop the l= and d= parameters and replace with sg= (where sg= the integer ID of the search group) 2009-12-09T10:58:33 Stuart: have you installed opensrf yet? 2009-12-09T10:59:12 because readline is one of the packages installed as part of opensrf 2009-12-09T10:59:58 of course, if your postgresql server is on an entirely separate server, ignore that 2009-12-09T11:03:17 Thanks for the info guys. I am using debian lenny and no not installed opensrf first. should I go ahead and do that? 2009-12-09T11:06:29 Stuart: yes, definitely. it's really the first step for a single-server system; we should move the postgresql stuff to step #2, I guess 2009-12-09T11:07:00 Oh ok thanks I'll give that a try.... 2009-12-09T11:08:47 * phasefx_ gets cstore timeouts every now and then. Has 1gb of ram allocated to the image, and has min_children = 1, max_children = 15, min_spare_children = 1, max_spare_children = 5 for cstore. What would be some good settings there? 2009-12-09T11:10:14 I imagine I could get away with lowering max_children for a lot of these services 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** rickd has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** kbeswick has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** phasefx has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** _dkyle_ has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** AbizzalsX has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** natschil has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** _bott_ has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** eby has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 *** artunit has quit IRC 2009-12-09T11:11:46 who wants to play some SIP2 troubleshooting games!!! :) 2009-12-09T11:12:18 what can we win? :) 2009-12-09T11:12:22 beer!!!! 2009-12-09T11:12:32 so - ok 1, ok 2, then Bail out! Read failure in login 2009-12-09T11:12:41 beer may be a pre-requisite for playing :D 2009-12-09T11:13:10 sip is running opensrf 30286 0.0 0.0 45108 13276 ? S 10:39 0:00 perl SIPServer.pm /openils/conf/oils_sip.xml 2009-12-09T11:13:25 listening @ port="208.119.0.251:6001/tcp" 2009-12-09T11:13:25 transport="RAW" 2009-12-09T11:13:25 protocol="SIP/2.00" 2009-12-09T11:13:25 timeout="300" /> 2009-12-09T11:14:01 accounts all exist in db, etc. 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** AbizzalsX has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** _dkyle_ has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** rickd has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** phasefx has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** error_23 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:14:21 *** kbeswick has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:15:01 btw: the bailout error comes when running 00sc_status.t 2009-12-09T11:15:04 *** natschil has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:15:04 *** eby has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:15:04 *** _bott_ has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:15:04 *** artunit has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T11:16:18 using all the same config, if i point it at our production sip, everything works like a charm 2009-12-09T11:20:34 I'm all for the beer statement. Anyone want to drive to Indiana, I've got a full tap of OakenBarrel IPA in the garage 2009-12-09T11:21:43 cantcha tell, we're desperate here :) 2009-12-09T11:21:59 need to finish in/outbound phone module! and this is our hitch 2009-12-09T11:25:24 mrpeters-isl need credit card SIP, that's what I'm focusing on next for our new self checks 2009-12-09T12:01:35 *** Meliss has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T12:09:23 *** Stuart has quit IRC 2009-12-09T12:11:24 *** natschil has quit IRC 2009-12-09T12:11:47 *** natschil has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T12:18:33 *** chrissharp123 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T12:18:33 *** r123 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T12:31:27 *** senator has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T12:41:22 *** chrissharp123 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T12:44:06 *** jenny has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T12:44:22 *** bshum has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T12:52:37 *** r123 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T13:03:18 *** eguest309_ has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T13:11:09 *** eguest309 has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T13:15:15 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T13:20:02 *** eguest309_ has quit IRC 2009-12-09T13:24:07 *** eguest309 has left #Evergreen 2009-12-09T13:29:11 all, does SIP completely fail to provide patron information if they exceed maxfines? 2009-12-09T13:34:51 talking checkout? I'd expect for it to produce some sort of circ denied message, but have no idea what else the spec calls for or what actually happens :-/ 2009-12-09T13:35:22 phasefx_: a library is saying before 1.6, they could pull the patron info to their PC management software no matter how many fines 2009-12-09T13:35:32 now, it returns Error - Communications with the ACS failed, last Message = 0, error code = 3380! 2009-12-09T13:35:42 a user not above max bills, is just fine 2009-12-09T13:37:55 *** sfortin has quit IRC 2009-12-09T13:42:37 looks like its a bug 2009-12-09T13:42:39 sending a ticket in on it 2009-12-09T13:46:23 mrpeters-isl: yeah, sounds like a bug 2009-12-09T13:46:58 yep, hopefully we'll get it all fixed up soon 2009-12-09T13:47:00 the SIP2 spec calls for a couple different flags to be set 2009-12-09T13:47:05 shocked it took this long for our libraires to figure it out 2009-12-09T13:47:19 have been on 1.6 for 2 months, come friday 2009-12-09T13:47:19 well, it produces the correct behavior by luck 2009-12-09T13:47:27 i.e., that the user goes to the circ staff 2009-12-09T13:47:50 and presumably pays their fine 2009-12-09T13:47:54 atheos pasted "SIP going nuts" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/91826 2009-12-09T13:48:12 the logs show this repeatedly. gets into some kind of loop 2009-12-09T13:49:52 atheos_: thanks, will include that with the ticket 2009-12-09T13:50:53 atz: personally, i agree, but the library is frekaing out saying they are breaking the law by denying their patron access to their computers 2009-12-09T13:51:06 doesn't quite look like a loop... each chunk is 30 secs to several minutes from the last one 2009-12-09T13:51:34 the client is probably trying again after timeout b/c it never got a decent reponse 2009-12-09T13:53:01 mrpeters-isl talk to Rick, this issue came up in our library, and Rick found some information to support our position against giving library services to someone with excessive fines. 2009-12-09T13:53:16 there's no manual override at the library? 2009-12-09T13:53:35 phasefx_ they are using SIP to authenticate patrons for computer use. 2009-12-09T13:53:40 no override for that 2009-12-09T13:54:50 hrmph; I would have expected for there to be. How does one use the computers if the network is down? middleware app? 2009-12-09T13:57:05 maybe nobody wants to use the computers if the network is down? 2009-12-09T13:57:17 we use both a captive portal for wireless, and some 3rd party app for reservations to our lab. The only override for the captive portal would be to exclude MAC or IP addresses (not going to do that!). reservation station might have some kind of override, but we don't have a policy for it. if we can't authenticate, we can't authenticate. 2009-12-09T13:58:04 We allow patrons to self-pay, but the station we have setup for this purpose isn't using SIP 2009-12-09T13:58:39 if they have fines, that's the only thing we give them access too (to pay their bill) 2009-12-09T14:00:07 dbs: we can break out the abacuses 2009-12-09T14:00:34 network down? go read a book 2009-12-09T14:00:37 slide ruler rulez. 2009-12-09T14:00:52 astrolabe for me 2009-12-09T14:02:02 * gmcharlt prefers to just observe quantum state transitions 2009-12-09T14:03:15 only gmcharlt managed to get digital without machines :) guess I could do fingermath 2009-12-09T14:10:34 *** bshum has quit IRC 2009-12-09T14:19:29 *** natschil has quit IRC 2009-12-09T14:39:22 Was this report comparing Horizon & EG mentioned before and I just missed it? > http://www.library.ohio.gov/SEO/findings 2009-12-09T14:40:10 moodaepo: hmm, I hadn't come across that - neat 2009-12-09T14:41:37 the only place in google that links to it is http://os-ol.org/portal/evergreen 2009-12-09T14:43:11 * dbs had also never heard of os-ol.org - I'll add it to the planet 2009-12-09T14:48:27 dbs: Yea I stumbled on to it looking up "Evergreen There was a problem with the download. The server returned a status 404 : Not Found" : ) 2009-12-09T14:50:48 *** eguest309 has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T15:03:22 *** eguest309_ has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T15:21:21 *** r123 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T15:21:31 *** eguest309 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T15:21:32 *** eguest309_ is now known as eguest309 2009-12-09T15:33:58 *** r123 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T15:45:05 moodaepo: cool link! thanks 2009-12-09T15:47:24 *** eguest309 has left #Evergreen 2009-12-09T16:03:54 *** Meliss has quit IRC 2009-12-09T16:12:29 *** finnx has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T16:17:18 dbs, cool! that's fast ;-) 2009-12-09T16:17:55 *** jmeeuwen_ is now known as jmeeuwen 2009-12-09T16:18:09 jmeeuwen: heh, the coding is easy, I still haven't had time to test it. stupid day job. 2009-12-09T16:18:42 i wonder how much difference there is between libmemcache and libmemcached to being with 2009-12-09T16:26:26 not much 2009-12-09T16:26:55 other than, as you pointed out, libmemcached being actively maintained 2009-12-09T16:44:30 Would I be correct in guessing that evergreen indexes are all in the metabib schema? 2009-12-09T16:46:26 moodaepo: metabib.*_field_entry is what you are looking for, I think 2009-12-09T16:47:35 dbs: Thx, those were what I was looking at just now 2009-12-09T16:49:29 So how do issn and isbn searches work, does it get dug out of the biblio marc blob? 2009-12-09T16:51:49 hah, no, that's a different beast 2009-12-09T16:53:04 see the view reporter.simple_rec / reporter.super_simple_rec 2009-12-09T16:53:31 Aah I keep forgetting about the views! 2009-12-09T16:56:00 * dbs peeks at https://code.launchpad.net/libmemcached with an impressive set of feature branches 2009-12-09T17:08:05 35 branches is a lot 2009-12-09T17:12:38 *** jenny1 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T17:13:09 atz: if you use a branch for each feature, then merge that branch to trunk when it's really truly complete and tested, it makes sense 2009-12-09T17:13:33 vs. trunk being continually semi-broken 2009-12-09T17:14:50 agreed. it's so nice. 2009-12-09T17:15:43 and if all of your development is in feature branches, then the number of times you have to merge from trunk to your feature branches goes way down. chicken/egg 2009-12-09T17:16:41 sboyette: oh, I was thinking of you; make newpot is definitely necessary; make newpo almost certainly isn't. sorry for not catching that before, I think my brain automatically added the 't' 2009-12-09T17:16:57 sboyette++ for working that out 2009-12-09T17:17:16 the Makefile tells all. once you stare at it and the error messages hard enough. 2009-12-09T17:30:17 "Subversion 1.5 introduces custom revision properties - this should allow bzr-svn to hide the properties used to store merge information. (At the moment, the file properties used show up in commit emails.)" 2009-12-09T17:30:49 *** jenny has quit IRC 2009-12-09T17:33:41 or cd /src/evergreen-bzr; bzr diff > /tmp/evergreen-diff; cd /src/evergreen-svn; svn up; patch -p0 < /tmp/evergreen-diff; svn ci 2009-12-09T17:36:35 there's also an .ini change we can to do to trac to hide those in trac, at least 2009-12-09T17:50:22 *** jenny1 has left #evergreen 2009-12-09T17:55:36 Argh I can search the evergreen catalog via z39.50 from Aleph but I don't get holdings info! 2009-12-09T17:58:41 *** gmcharlt has quit IRC 2009-12-09T18:09:17 moodaepo: do you have /holdings in your SRU url? 2009-12-09T18:11:16 moodaepo: search for "holdings" in http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-admin:sru_and_z39.50 2009-12-09T18:11:20 i'm out of here 2009-12-09T18:11:24 *** dbs has quit IRC 2009-12-09T20:08:06 *** brendan_ga has quit IRC 2009-12-09T20:10:36 *** pmplett has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T20:21:07 *** brendan_ga has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T20:30:10 *** dbs has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T21:05:44 alright! moving the biblio_fingerprint.js function directly into Ingest.pm seems to have solved a segfault that I was getting with direct_ingest.pl 2009-12-09T21:12:37 huh 2009-12-09T21:12:53 a segfault? 2009-12-09T21:20:01 dbs: yeah -- it was very weird. Sometime between 52580 and 52600 records, I'd get a segfault. 2009-12-09T21:21:18 crazy 2009-12-09T21:22:43 but then, if I tried running direct_ingest.pl on only the 20 records in that range, I wouldn't have any problem... 2009-12-09T22:02:05 whee. moving to libmemcached is all well and good - all compiles cleanly now, autotools adjusted, Makefile.install 2009-12-09T22:02:21 too bad about the dying C processes 2009-12-09T22:03:49 *** error_23 has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T22:03:55 wlayton: i've had that problem before and upgrading the spidermonkey stuff seemed to help 2009-12-09T22:05:00 it was on gentoo 2009-12-09T22:07:26 *** atz has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:07:59 time to start checking the return values I guess. damned defensive programming. 2009-12-09T22:08:09 *** atz has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:12:16 jamesrf: Thanks for the tip. 2009-12-09T22:16:17 *** [1]atz has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:19:27 *** jmeeuwen_ has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** atz has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** dbs has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** chrissharp123 has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** jmeeuwen has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:19:34 *** [1]atz is now known as atz 2009-12-09T22:19:55 *** jmeeuwen_ is now known as jmeeuwen 2009-12-09T22:20:51 *** jmeeuwen has quit IRC 2009-12-09T22:20:53 *** error_23 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:20:53 *** dbs has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:20:53 *** chrissharp123 has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:20:53 *** jmeeuwen has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T22:21:08 *** jmeeuwen has joined #evergreen 2009-12-09T23:03:48 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2009-12-09T23:32:01 *** rickd has quit IRC 2009-12-09T23:42:59 *** atheos_ has quit IRC 2009-12-09T23:44:27 *** atheos has joined #Evergreen 2009-12-09T23:51:40 yay, now not getting memcached segfaults. that's better.