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| # | 03:54:23 | Dre__ | hello |
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| # | 13:22:48 | parsr | Quiet day today -- Three cheers for Evergreen! Long Live the developer geeks! Great work all you contributors! Kudos to library managers who finally gave us some support to do the right thing! (Anything else?) |
| # | 13:23:29 | tsbere | down with my vm environment for not giving me networking! |
| # | 13:26:05 | bshum | Hip, hip, huzzah! |
| # | 13:28:54 | dbs | parsr: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?do=recent gives some ideas of recent activity |
| # | 13:45:21 | parsr | dbs: irc seemed unusually quiet today - but agreed 'activity meter' remains high as usual. |
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| # | 13:56:18 | eeevil | T-4min |
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| # | 14:00:19 | gmcharlt | T-0 |
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| # | 14:00:22 | gmcharlt | good afternoon all |
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| # | 14:00:30 | dbs | Hail and welcome, travellers |
| # | 14:00:33 | Dyrcona | hi |
| # | 14:00:38 | berick | hi |
| # | 14:00:38 | ocls-damon | :) |
| # | 14:00:40 | gmcharlt | meeting starting now, the agenda is at http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2010-10 |
| # | 14:00:47 | b_bonner | good afternoon |
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| # | 14:01:00 | gmcharlt | first item is introductions - let's state our names and affiliations for the record |
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| # | 14:01:06 | gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| # | 14:01:16 | eeevil is Mike Rylander, Equinox |
| # | 14:01:16 | Meliss | = Melissa Lefebvre, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:01:19 | bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:01:19 | afterl = Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:01:25 | Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson Merrimack Valley Library Consortium |
| # | 14:01:25 | phasefx = Jason Etheridge, Equinox, and I approve this message |
| # | 14:01:27 | b_bonner | b_bonner = Bradley Bonner, KCLS |
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| # | 14:01:35 | jenny | = Jenny Turner, PALS |
| # | 14:01:36 | sylvar = Ben Ostrowsky, Equinox |
| # | 14:01:42 | senator = Lebbeous Fogle-Weekley, Equinox |
| # | 14:01:58 | LBA | Lori Ayre - Galecia Group/RSCEL/KCLS |
| # | 14:01:59 | slipscomb | Suzannah Lipscomb, Equinox |
| # | 14:02:06 | jamesrf = James Fournie, SITKA |
| # | 14:02:07 | ocls-damon | damon wood, orange county library system |
| # | 14:02:18 | berick | Bill Erickson, Equinox |
| # | 14:02:18 | av_ocls | amy vanschaik, orange county library system |
| # | 14:02:24 | StephenGWills | Stev3 Wills, LYRASIS |
| # | 14:02:32 | jeff = Jeff Godin, TADL |
| # | 14:02:34 | _bott_ Bill Ott, Grand Rapids Public |
| # | 14:02:49 | dbs = Dan Scott, Laurentian University / Conifer |
| # | 14:02:53 | kmlussier | Kathy Lussier, Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative |
| # | 14:03:04 | katesheehan | kate sheehan, Bibliomation |
| # | 14:03:22 | kcollier | Karen Collier, Kent County Public Library |
| # | 14:03:24 | finnapz | steve sheppard, DIG |
| # | 14:03:44 | jeffdavis = Jeff Davis, SITKA |
| # | 14:03:47 | r123 = Robin Isard Algoma University / Conifer |
| # | 14:04:01 | shadowspar := Rick Scott, Wishart Library @ Algoma university / Conifer |
| # | 14:04:04 | kbeswick_ = Kevin Beswick, Laurentian University / Conifer |
| # | 14:04:36 | rsoulliere | Robert Soulliere, Mohawk College |
| # | 14:04:37 | eeevil | I move that quorum has been reached ;) |
| # | 14:04:44 | Dyrcona | :) |
| # | 14:04:45 | gmcharlt | ok - if you pop in, feel free to introduce yourself, but let's move to the next agenda item, |
| # | 14:04:46 | gmcharlt | Review Action Items from previous meeting |
| # | 14:05:07 | gmcharlt | first one - dbs to review the versioning wiki page |
| # | 14:05:13 | gmcharlt | dbs: 30 seconds to say anythinng about it |
| # | 14:05:48 | dbs | Please review my draft! |
| # | 14:05:55 | dbs | http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=versioning |
| # | 14:06:04 | dbs | (comments on mailing list or later on IRC, please) |
| # | 14:06:09 | gmcharlt | ding-ding-ding (thanks, dbs) |
| # | 14:06:12 | gmcharlt | next up - Release notes and future expected features |
| # | 14:06:52 | gmcharlt | I know that slipscomb and gdunbar and others have been writing up 2.0 release note information for the features we've been wokring on |
| # | 14:07:43 | afterl | I think that KCLS was also working on some documents |
| # | 14:07:49 | slipscomb | draft versions of the release notes are in the works and close to completion |
| # | 14:08:12 | gmcharlt | slipscomb: thanks |
| # | 14:08:35 | gmcharlt | we hope to get them up to the wiki soon - hopefully so that, if nothing else, this isn't an action item for the December meeting |
| # | 14:08:45 | gmcharlt | next item - 2.0 alpha testing |
| # | 14:08:51 | bshum | A bunch of us have installed 2.0 alpha4 to local installations on a variety of OS platforms, mostly Ubuntu Lucid or Debian Squeeze. |
| # | 14:09:04 | gmcharlt | first, a big thanks to all who have been testing 2.0 in test installations (or production!) |
| # | 14:09:10 | tsbere pops in, Thomas Berezansky / Merrimack Valley Library Consortium |
| # | 14:09:11 | eeevil | indeed ... there's been good success and good feedback |
| # | 14:09:35 | eeevil | overall, this is by far the best pre-release period we've seen, so thanks much folks! |
| # | 14:09:36 | bshum | Special cheers to rsoulliere for posting his findings on the upgrade from 1.6.1 to 2.0; we'll be poking at that soon ourselves. |
| # | 14:09:49 | gmcharlt | so general word - please test, please file bugs, please send patches, please write up what you find |
| # | 14:09:58 | gmcharlt | next item - List projects in progress in a central location: Code repositories - drafted |
| # | 14:10:06 | gmcharlt | aka - http://www.open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:code_repositories |
| # | 14:10:30 | gmcharlt | general call - if you have a branch of Evergreen or related software, please add yourself to that wiki page |
| # | 14:10:45 | gmcharlt | next item - Follow up with DIG on integration between wiki pages and Book of Evergreen |
| # | 14:11:07 | gmcharlt | rsoulliere: kcollier: thoughts/update on that? |
| # | 14:11:29 | kcollier | Notes have been made on Wiki pages where content was taken with links to the files in the github repository and links to the html document (some links will need updating). Moreover, links have been added to the documentation outline http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:outline indicating the corresponding wiki content for various sections. |
| # | 14:11:50 | gmcharlt | kcollier++ |
| # | 14:11:51 | gmcharlt | dig++ |
| # | 14:12:09 | gmcharlt | next item - Web Committee member to email DIG list requesting contact info |
| # | 14:12:35 | kcollier | It was determined that using the DIG list is a good place for communication from the web committee for questions, suggestions, etc... Other communication means will be used as needed. |
| # | 14:12:36 | gmcharlt | afterl: LBA: update? |
| # | 14:12:45 | gmcharlt | ok, cool |
| # | 14:12:55 | LBA | posting update... |
| # | 14:13:02 | lisppaste | LBA pasted "EG Communication Committee Update" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/115713 |
| # | 14:13:08 | gmcharlt | last item from previous meeting - Report Taskforce to follow-up with Jeff & Ben on automation of reports |
| # | 14:13:17 | afterl | bshum has an update |
| # | 14:13:43 | bradl Brad LaJeunesse, Equinox #poking head in, but heading to another meeting, just wanted to give a big YEE-HAW to the group :) |
| # | 14:13:43 | gmcharlt | bshum: please go ahead |
| # | 14:13:48 | afterl | bshum? |
| # | 14:13:55 | bshum | This was a short summary I put together: http://paste.lisp.org/+2HA7 |
| # | 14:14:10 | bshum | Describing our current work for automating SQL reports |
| # | 14:14:20 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks |
| # | 14:14:29 | gmcharlt | on to the next item |
| # | 14:14:41 | gmcharlt | Circ scripts – deprecate in 2.0 (not untenable)? kill them altogether (booooo!)? something else? – vs tsbere's due-date ceiling alternate implementation patch: where should it go? |
| # | 14:14:49 | eeevil grabs the mic |
| # | 14:14:51 | gmcharlt | let's have five minutes for discussion |
| # | 14:15:12 | eeevil | so ... there's a really compelling patch from tsbere to change the implementation of yet-unreleased hard-due-date code |
| # | 14:15:36 | eeevil | and, during the discussion of that, I raised the question of deprecating circ scripts |
| # | 14:16:02 | eeevil | so ... the question to the community is: do we deprecate circ scripts (but not remove or cripple them) in 2.0? |
| # | 14:16:13 | jamesrf | can you clarify what you mean by deprecate if they are not removed or crippled? |
| # | 14:16:18 | eeevil | (discuss) |
| # | 14:16:18 | phasefx has a fondness for the circ scripts, but mainly because they're turing complete and he hasn't learned in-db circ yet :-) |
| # | 14:16:36 | Dyrcona | deprecation means their use is discouraged and they could be removed at a future time. |
| # | 14:16:43 | eeevil | jamesrf: say "in some future version, scripts will be either removed or not have access to all features |
| # | 14:17:05 | eeevil | no, when any of those happens is a question for the future |
| # | 14:17:18 | eeevil | on the table ATM is just, do we start down that road |
| # | 14:17:40 | eeevil | 1) it will focus attention on improving in-db for those cases where phase-of-the-moon, etc, are important |
| # | 14:17:44 | tsbere | I was originally under the impression that road was started on due to the config option including the word "legacy" |
| # | 14:17:54 | eeevil | 2) it will give folks time to start moving to in-db |
| # | 14:17:59 | afterl | I am in favor of deprecating. However, we use in-db. |
| # | 14:18:01 | eeevil | (and impetus) |
| # | 14:18:09 | jeffdavis | I know sitka has some circ policies that can't be handled via in-db circ in its current form; I'd prefer not to see them deprecated just yet |
| # | 14:18:10 | dbs supports deprecating scripts, simply to avoid having to perpetually support two different & complex code paths, even though we currently rely on scripts |
| # | 14:18:25 | afterl | dbs++ |
| # | 14:18:25 | LBA raises hand |
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| # | 14:18:47 | eeevil | dbs: that is the point, yes. not to remove, just to send up a warning flag |
| # | 14:18:50 | Dyrcona | I vote for deprecation, but I'm using in-db now. |
| # | 14:19:14 | jamesrf | i think i'm ok with that then, we are using them but planning to migrate away from them |
| # | 14:19:14 | phasefx | just pie in the sky, but how painful would it be to use that modularity of Evergreen and have an alternate circ module using the scripts live in ILS-Contrib if some folks really want it? |
| # | 14:19:40 | eeevil | jeffdavis: well, the problem I see is that if we wait until all possilbe cases are covered (without someone putting in the time to confirm that), they'll never go away |
| # | 14:20:03 | LBA | just so you know that if this is supposed to be a community meeting and not a developers meeting...you are going to have to reduce the jargon load. depracate, in-db circ versus circ scripts....may all need defining. |
| # | 14:20:21 | gmcharlt | phasefx: anything can live in ILS-Contrib, but as far as trunk is concerned, if we deprecate, that means that trunk isn't obligated to keep compatibility |
| # | 14:20:22 | _dkyle_ | I'd like to see some fall through option in the code for custom scripts - maybe plperl functions |
| # | 14:20:22 | eeevil | phasefx: not technically hard, however it would require that all circ modules be independently maintained, and their feature sets would diverge |
| # | 14:20:31 | jeff | if a clear signal is put up for "these are the old, in-db is the new" and deprecation is stated, hopefully it will bring out more concrete examples of "this is what in-db can't do yet", and perhaps patches. |
| # | 14:21:02 | eeevil | jeffdavis: yes, that's the hope |
| # | 14:21:07 | dbs | that five minutes for discussion is just about up: move to -dev list for further discussion? |
| # | 14:21:08 | gmcharlt | LBA: this is a term of art known to people who have set up circ rules in Evergreen |
| # | 14:21:11 | jeffdavis | well I don't feel strongly enough about it to be the only dissenting voice |
| # | 14:21:15 | gmcharlt | it's not just techie-speak, just mostly |
| # | 14:21:32 | phasefx | eeevil: enough for me to know it's not that hard; I'm personally not motivated enough to do such a thing, just curious |
| # | 14:21:36 | gmcharlt | (I think we do need to assume some basic familiarity or willingness to learn EG functionality) |
| # | 14:21:41 | eeevil | dbs: this bears on another disucssion, so I'd like to let it go on for another minute or two... |
| # | 14:21:53 | LBA | okay thanks, gmchrlt |
| # | 14:22:05 | berick | we could deprecate w/ the caveat that final script removal is dependent on an in-db script callback alternative |
| # | 14:22:09 | jamesrf | quick qeustion on the in-db, where is tsbere's patch to be found? |
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| # | 14:22:23 | phasefx | berick++ |
| # | 14:22:23 | StephenGWills | I'm willing, just slow and dumb as a post. in-db means Dan ate it, right? |
| # | 14:22:25 | gmcharlt | jamesrf: http://www.mvlc.org/chdd.patch |
| # | 14:22:35 | gmcharlt | ok, I think we should move the discussion to the list |
| # | 14:22:47 | gmcharlt | besides, we'll need to hear from a couple current users |
| # | 14:22:51 | LBA | :-D |
| # | 14:22:58 | eeevil | ok ...well, the other point on that bullet is something else |
| # | 14:23:00 | phasefx | in-db means circulation policy that can be configured with a user interface in the staff client |
| # | 14:23:12 | phasefx | effectively :) |
| # | 14:23:17 | gmcharlt | next item - (* min) Evergreen branches prior to 2.0 - status and plans |
| # | 14:23:17 | StephenGWills | oh. i want that |
| # | 14:23:26 | afterl | in-db lowers the bar for playiing with EG! |
| # | 14:23:27 | gmcharlt | 5 minutes for this |
| # | 14:23:28 | eeevil | gmcharlt: please hold on |
| # | 14:23:44 | eeevil | so, we've tabled deprecation of circ scripts for the meeting |
| # | 14:23:44 | csharp Chris Sharp, PINES |
| # | 14:23:47 | eeevil | but |
| # | 14:23:58 | eeevil | we need to discuss http://www.mvlc.org/chdd.patch and where it should go |
| # | 14:24:18 | eeevil | there is one specific blocker: the rule that we not add schema changes after alpha2 |
| # | 14:24:20 | Dyrcona | rel_2_0, but I'm partial. |
| # | 14:24:23 | eeevil | that is, in fact, my rule |
| # | 14:24:31 | eeevil | however, I would like to push it in |
| # | 14:24:50 | eeevil | the code is clean, and the functionality looks safe, and has been written to be back-compat |
| # | 14:24:57 | eeevil | with circ scritps |
| # | 14:24:58 | dbs | eeevil: hmm, in my "Versioning" document I had said alpha changes include db schema changes, as features were expected to be mostly complete at that point |
| # | 14:25:00 | eeevil | scripts |
| # | 14:25:07 | phasefx | if it makes in-db easier to use, I say go for it |
| # | 14:25:35 | eeevil | dbs: do you mean "yes, schema changes are fine" or "don't do that"? |
| # | 14:25:40 | eeevil | (sorry, not following |
| # | 14:25:46 | dbs | cutting off db schema changes at some alpha, but putting out subsequent alphas with a restriction on any further db schema changes, would be confusing to me |
| # | 14:25:51 | gmcharlt | eeevil: the patch itself looks OK; I think the real question is how much "just-one-more-thing" we want for rel_2_0 |
| # | 14:25:55 | eeevil | also, I want this to go into trunk, 2.0 AND 1.6 |
| # | 14:25:56 | dbs | so - I vote it goes into alpha5 |
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| # | 14:26:15 | eeevil | dbs: and that's the other question ... does this delay beta |
| # | 14:26:17 | dbs | (and then once we put out the first beta, no more db schema changes!) |
| # | 14:26:20 | gmcharlt | eeevil: 1.6 for 1.6.2, I assume? |
| # | 14:26:26 | eeevil | gmcharlt: yes |
| # | 14:26:34 | b_bonner | For those of us live on 2.0, what impact will this have? |
| # | 14:26:35 | tsbere | I am partial (having written it) but would vote trunk, 2.0, and 1.6 as well. |
| # | 14:26:49 | eeevil | b_bonner: more functionality if you want to use it |
| # | 14:27:28 | dbs | I'm not so keen on 1.6 myself |
| # | 14:27:34 | eeevil | re "does it delay", by that I mean, shall we push it in and cut a5 now-ish |
| # | 14:27:43 | b_bonner | eeevil: thanks, just confirming we won't have breakage of existing policies |
| # | 14:28:00 | eeevil | dbs: I wouldn't be, except for the easing of upgrade from the current hard-due-date in 1.6 |
| # | 14:28:20 | eeevil | dbs: but because of that (upgrade ease) I'm for it |
| # | 14:28:32 | Dyrcona | is anyone using the hard due date in 1.6? |
| # | 14:28:40 | bshum | We will be. Someday. |
| # | 14:28:41 | eeevil | Dyrcona: it's not in a release |
| # | 14:28:43 | dbs | eeevil: yes, I would push it in to rel_2_0 and cut alpha5 now-ish |
| # | 14:29:26 | afterl | Since Biblio (and others) are paying for the hard due dates, we would love to see this in rel_2_0 |
| # | 14:29:40 | gmcharlt | ok, it sounds like we have concensus on trunk, rel_2_0, and cutting a5 soon |
| # | 14:29:51 | eeevil | gmcharlt: your "just-one-more-thing" point is well taken, but this is the only just-one-more we've considered relenting to (so far ;) ) |
| # | 14:29:52 | gmcharlt | no consensus yet for rel_1_6 |
| # | 14:30:15 | gmcharlt | eeevil: I will kill any further 'just-one-more-things' on sight ;) |
| # | 14:30:17 | gmcharlt | (not really) |
| # | 14:30:17 | eeevil | well, there's an implementation, divergent from this, in trunk and 1.6 now |
| # | 14:30:26 | eeevil | pushing it into 1.6 would unify that |
| # | 14:30:35 | berick | +1 for rel_1_6 for upgrade-ease |
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| # | 14:30:40 | Dyrcona | +1 for 1.6 |
| # | 14:30:42 | gmcharlt | +1 to rel-1_6 as well |
| # | 14:30:45 | phasefx | +1 |
| # | 14:30:54 | jamesrf | this would be for release in 1.6.2? |
| # | 14:30:59 | eeevil | jamesrf: yes |
| # | 14:31:03 | jamesrf | ok +1 |
| # | 14:31:37 | eeevil | dbs: feel strongly against 1.6, or just meh? |
| # | 14:32:05 | dbs | mostly meh; not keen on the additional testing in 1.6 that should accompany it, but meh |
| # | 14:32:09 | phasefx | you extend it you maintain it :) |
| # | 14:32:17 | eeevil | phasefx: heh |
| # | 14:32:18 | gmcharlt | dbs: 1.6.2 will need testing anyway |
| # | 14:32:31 | eeevil | ok ... I'll accept "meh" |
| # | 14:32:37 | gmcharlt | since we've been discussing a5, I'm going to reorder the agenda slightly |
| # | 14:32:38 | dbs | gmcharlt: yes, but the more changes in a "minor" branch, the more testing |
| # | 14:32:39 | eeevil | so ... I'm done for now :) |
| # | 14:32:41 | gmcharlt | next up is - (* min) 2.0 alpha4 to 2.0 gold - works in progress, discuss of what will make it in for general release, hash out schedule |
| # | 14:32:51 | gmcharlt | 5 minutes for that |
| # | 14:33:05 | eeevil | 1) ^- that |
| # | 14:33:07 | gmcharlt | so - we now know that a5 will be cut soonish after tsbere's patch is put in |
| # | 14:33:19 | eeevil | 2) ui cleanup (vandelay in particular) |
| # | 14:33:51 | dbs | on behalf of Repke / IISH, per his email to the lists - IISH hopes to go live on the 2.0 beta in November-ish, assuming there is a beta in November |
| # | 14:33:53 | eeevil | ... ui/bug fixes ... testing |
| # | 14:34:00 | berick | 3) some smoothing of ACQ processes/bugs |
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| # | 14:34:35 | eeevil | dbs: IMO, that's very do-able ... (I'll propose beta1 at the start of nov at the latest, barring data-loss bugs) |
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| # | 14:35:05 | dbs | speaking of 2.0 alpha4 to 2.0 gold - any further serials work to merge in 2.0? or is the rest going in trunk? |
| # | 14:35:15 | Dyrcona | so in two weeks, roughly, for the beta? |
| # | 14:35:18 | dbs craftily noted dbwells' arrival :) |
| # | 14:35:30 | eeevil | Dyrcona: my hope, yes ... testing will tell |
| # | 14:35:51 | eeevil | dbs: or his crafty arrival? |
| # | 14:36:01 | Dyrcona | timely arrival |
| # | 14:36:14 | eeevil | timeily crafty? |
| # | 14:36:15 | berick | dbs: we're applying small serials tweaks/fixes, etc to 2.0 as we can. but no show stoppers ATM (that I'm aware of) |
| # | 14:36:15 | senator | for serials, nothing new planned by me. bugfixes, but nothing new |
| # | 14:37:10 | dbwells | :) my hope is yes, too. Really doing my best to catch up with everyone else at this point. |
| # | 14:37:17 | jcpl-jasonb | For those of us interested in looking, where are serials currently in 2.0? Nothing stands out to me that says "Click here to check in a magazine," etc. |
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| # | 14:38:25 | senator | jcpl-jasonb: you'll find the jumping-off points for serials if you pull up a bib record in the catalog in the staff client, and click the "Actions for this Record" menu |
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| # | 14:38:43 | gmcharlt | any thing else for beta 1? |
| # | 14:38:48 | dbs | at a meta-level, are there docs for all of the new features in 2.0? Is the DIG in sync on all of that? I know they're focused on 1.6 at the moment, and release notes are in the hands of slipscomb / gdunbar / KCLS, but might be good to capture details while still fresh in devs' minds |
| # | 14:38:54 | jcpl-jasonb | Ah, thanks. |
| # | 14:38:55 | dbs | <-- troublemaker |
| # | 14:39:13 | StephenGWills eyes dan. I KNEW it! |
| # | 14:39:28 | jamesrf | there is no documentation of new features in 1.6.1 |
| # | 14:39:50 | kcollier | I'm not aware of any DIG involvement in documenting 2.0 yet. |
| # | 14:39:54 | phasefx | booking has some documentation, doesn't it? |
| # | 14:40:13 | eeevil | jamesrf: there is: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=booking (2 pdfs linked there) |
| # | 14:40:22 | kcollier | Though we'd love to get our hands on any info out in the wild on it. |
| # | 14:41:28 | rsoulliere | Also added a bit regarding password reset from OPAC. |
| # | 14:41:30 | gdunbar | slipscomb and I will have ESI's 2.0 documents out by next Tuesday at the latest - it should cover all the new features we're aware of |
| # | 14:41:39 | b_bonner | KCLS is *slowly* working up documentation as we use/learn it, mostly from an end-users point of view |
| # | 14:41:52 | Dyrcona | KCLS++ |
| # | 14:42:09 | jeff | gdunbar++ slipscomb++ |
| # | 14:42:16 | eeevil | re bullet: schedule hash => a5, RSN -> b1, RSN+~2wk |
| # | 14:42:18 | dbs | kcollier++ rsoulliere++ gdunbar++ b_bonner++ slipscomb++ |
| # | 14:42:25 | LBA | and I will nominate Brian_f to help out with documentation with KCLS and Gdunbar. He's running alpha4 right now for a possible demo server on the Amazon cloud |
| # | 14:42:38 | rsoulliere | Please foward any documentation to DIG. I will try to put together an outline page for 2.0 on wiki. |
| # | 14:42:45 | gmcharlt | ok - to sum up |
| # | 14:42:50 | phasefx | are our commit messages helping? any room for improvement there? |
| # | 14:42:58 | gmcharlt | bits of documentaiton are making their way to DIG for corralling |
| # | 14:42:59 | gmcharlt | a5 soon |
| # | 14:43:04 | gmcharlt | b1 by early November |
| # | 14:43:23 | eeevil | we skipped "back branches" ... shall we go back to that? |
| # | 14:43:24 | gmcharlt | eeevil: what do you think, one beta? two betas? before general release? |
| # | 14:43:36 | gmcharlt | eeevil: yep, we'll go back to that in a minute |
| # | 14:43:46 | dbs | note release schedule for 2.0 is roughly at https://launchpad.net/evergreen/2.0 - |
| # | 14:43:53 | eeevil | gmcharlt: testing will tell, but I suspect 1 beta and one RC to become 2.0 |
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| # | 14:44:06 | gmcharlt | eeevil: thanks |
| # | 14:44:07 | eeevil | just a hunch |
| # | 14:44:15 | gmcharlt | ok, moving on (or back) |
| # | 14:44:17 | gmcharlt | (* min) Evergreen branches prior to 2.0 - status and plans |
| # | 14:44:29 | dbs will adjust dates accordingly |
| # | 14:44:58 | eeevil would like to kill 1.6 after 1.6.2, concurrent with 2.NEXT |
| # | 14:45:32 | afterl | eeevil++ |
| # | 14:45:47 | phasefx is down with that |
| # | 14:45:56 | eeevil | also, release of 2.0 should likewise kill 1.6.0, though 1.6.1 will probably need to hang on for as long as 1.6.2 |
| # | 14:46:20 | jeffdavis | where "kill" = "stop doing any work (including backporting) on"? |
| # | 14:46:25 | eeevil | (note, though, that 1.6.0 /will/ be getting a new release, maybe RSN) |
| # | 14:46:52 | gmcharlt | jeffdavis: yes, unless somebody else wants to champion and mantain the branch |
| # | 14:46:53 | eeevil | jeffdavis: short of critical fixes, yes. 1.6.1 is less buggy and more featureful |
| # | 14:46:56 | phasefx | jeffdavis: unless someone wants to volunteer to maintain such a branch |
| # | 14:46:58 | jeff | eeevil: were you saying 1.6.1 would "need to hang on" until 1.6.2 is released -- or something else? |
| # | 14:47:03 | eeevil | gmcharlt: (or that, yes) |
| # | 14:47:32 | eeevil | jeff: that 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 will probably die at or near the same time |
| # | 14:47:39 | jamesrf | i think it makes the most sense to maintain 1.6.1 until 1.6.2 is released and considered stable, and i see no reason to declare that 1.6.2 will be the last 1.6.x branch it may be premature |
| # | 14:47:40 | eeevil | or, that would be my preference |
| # | 14:47:47 | jeff | eeevil: thank you for the clarification. |
| # | 14:48:12 | afterl | eeevil, suicide pact? |
| # | 14:48:28 | gmcharlt | we're running short of time - I move that we continue discussing 1.6.x on the lists |
| # | 14:48:38 | Dyrcona | seconded |
| # | 14:48:56 | gmcharlt | moving on - (* min) After Evergreen 2.0; roundup of projects that people are working on |
| # | 14:49:15 | gmcharlt | let's keep this short - one minute to blast new projects that people are working on |
| # | 14:49:48 | phasefx wants to try moving all remote xul to chrome in the staff client. tsbere: are you interested in such a thing too? |
| # | 14:49:50 | eeevil | that's actively working on |
| # | 14:49:58 | phasefx | oh |
| # | 14:50:01 | dbs | For 2.1-ish, EG-Social = Activity Streams + XFN + TT2-based user / item pages (possibly a basis for a new OPAC?) |
| # | 14:50:02 | eeevil | tsbere's fallthrough |
| # | 14:50:39 | tsbere | I also have some work started on the toolbar opening in new tabs instead of current, as an option and with a modifier (ctrl) held on click |
| # | 14:50:39 | gmcharlt | ok - no doubt there's more, but it can wait |
| # | 14:50:44 | gmcharlt | next up - (* min) DIG report |
| # | 14:50:48 | gmcharlt | kcollier? |
| # | 14:50:51 | bshum | tsbere++ |
| # | 14:50:58 | afterl | tsbere+++ |
| # | 14:51:03 | kcollier | Hi, this is Karen Collier reporting for the Documentation Interest Group (DIG). |
| # | 14:51:13 | kcollier | DIG has made a good deal of progress collecting, writing, and editing documentation, and converting it to DocBook format. |
| # | 14:51:28 | kcollier | The new host for the documentation site is: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/ Eventually, this url will lead to a jump page with links to all the various versions and formats of the documentation. |
| # | 14:51:38 | kcollier | The current and only version is the draft version of the 1.6 documentation: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/1.6/draft/html/ |
| # | 14:51:52 | kcollier | The documentation outline shows which areas are complete and which areas still need work. http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:outline |
| # | 14:52:01 | kcollier | Jeremy Buhler from Sitka contributed a docbook style guide: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/style_guide/html/ |
| # | 14:52:12 | kcollier | As of the last meeting, the documentation was being refreshed manually. It is now generated automatically. On a nightly basis, the documents are pulled from the github repository and the HTML PDF files are generated on the server. |
| # | 14:52:24 | jeff | automation++ |
| # | 14:52:30 | kcollier | rsoulliere++ for contributing to the DIG updates I've posted. Do you have anything to add that I haven't said? |
| # | 14:52:32 | dbs | DIG++ |
| # | 14:52:38 | jeff | DIG++ |
| # | 14:52:48 | rsoulliere | That about covers it |
| # | 14:52:59 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| # | 14:53:03 | gmcharlt | next up - (* min) Reports Taskforce report |
| # | 14:53:10 | afterl | jenny has that update |
| # | 14:53:13 | jenny | small post coming... |
| # | 14:53:17 | lisppaste | jenny pasted "Reports" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/115716 |
| # | 14:53:47 | afterl | Notes from our last taskforce meeting: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:meeting_20100908-notes |
| # | 14:54:13 | afterl | We meet tomorrow! |
| # | 14:54:31 | gmcharlt | one update on the Equinox reports - with KCLS' help, we've verified that they work in 2.0 |
| # | 14:54:44 | jenny | We could definitely use a few more people; if you're interested, let one of the current Rerports people know. |
| # | 14:54:58 | afterl | KCLS++ |
| # | 14:55:02 | jenny | gmcharlt++ |
| # | 14:55:15 | Dyrcona will see if he can get someone from here to joint the reports task force. |
| # | 14:55:17 | gmcharlt | my_staff++ |
| # | 14:55:25 | afterl | Dyrcona+ |
| # | 14:55:28 | afterl | + |
| # | 14:55:30 | gmcharlt | ok, next up |
| # | 14:55:32 | gmcharlt | (* min) Website Team report and discussion |
| # | 14:55:35 | gmcharlt | LBA? |
| # | 14:55:38 | LBA pasted an update from the Communications Committee at http://paste.lisp.org/display/115713 (which was also sent out to the open-ils-general list) |
| # | 14:56:14 | gmcharlt makes a pitch for people to review and respond to LBA's open-ils-general post |
| # | 14:56:23 | afterl seconds that |
| # | 14:56:44 | LBA | Yes, respond on general list please. :) |
| # | 14:57:11 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks |
| # | 14:57:14 | gmcharlt | next up - (* min) Governance Committee report and discussion (see Governance Structure) |
| # | 14:57:22 | afterl | dbs has an update |
| # | 14:57:25 | dbs | An update to the update at http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=governance:structure:status20101019 - the director of the Software Freedom Conservancy (Bradley Kuhn) said in IRC that invitations to new member projects will go out today - including to Evergreen |
| # | 14:57:34 | jeff | hooray! |
| # | 14:57:40 | bshum | Whoo! |
| # | 14:57:41 | afterl | woo-hoo! |
| # | 14:57:46 | jenny | yea! |
| # | 14:57:51 | LBA | sweeeeet. |
| # | 14:57:59 | afterl | dbs++ |
| # | 14:58:05 | berick | indeed, dbs++ |
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| # | 14:58:11 | artunit | always, dbs++ |
| # | 14:58:15 | dbs | Also, from today's governance meeting, expect more membership proposals to get kicked around on the lists |
| # | 14:58:50 | dbs | c'est tout from me |
| # | 14:58:59 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| # | 14:59:02 | gmcharlt | so, final item |
| # | 14:59:09 | gmcharlt | choosing the time for the next meeting |
| # | 14:59:22 | gmcharlt | shall we say Tueday, 23 November at 2:00 EST? |
| # | 14:59:28 | gmcharlt | or even Tuesday |
| # | 14:59:44 | dbs | +1 |
| # | 14:59:44 | tsbere is having issues with the 2:00 EST meetings, as he leaves work at that time currently |
| # | 14:59:50 | tsbere | at least on tuesdays |
| # | 15:00:11 | dbs | Additionally, we probably should have a separate dev meeting, there's enough dev-specific content to justify that methinks |
| # | 15:00:20 | berick agrees w/ dbs |
| # | 15:00:38 | eeevil | yes ... and sooner than nov23, IMO |
| # | 15:00:42 | brian_f | also Thanksgiving week might be hard for people traveling |
| # | 15:01:13 | gmcharlt | on the theory that beta1 will be out by then, 9 November for a dev meeting, 23 November for a general community meeting? |
| # | 15:01:32 | afterl | gmcharlt: nice, tight meeting - can you bring it in under an hour? |
| # | 15:01:33 | Dyrcona can change tsbere's schedule if tsbere would like. |
| # | 15:01:34 | eeevil | gmcharlt: or, dev on nov 2 |
| # | 15:01:40 | eeevil | er |
| # | 15:01:40 | eeevil | 1 |
| # | 15:01:47 | eeevil | in prep for beta1 |
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| # | 15:01:52 | eeevil | to clear up any final issues |
| # | 15:01:55 | gmcharlt | ok |
| # | 15:02:06 | gmcharlt | so 11/1 dev (and shall we say 11 a.m.) |
| # | 15:02:11 | eeevil | and, for tsbere (with his patch going it |
| # | 15:02:14 | eeevil | right, earlier |
| # | 15:02:25 | gmcharlt | 11/23 for general meeting (2 p.m., as usual time) |
| # | 15:02:29 | bshum | gmcharlt: 11 EST? |
| # | 15:02:36 | gmcharlt | bshum: yes |
| # | 15:02:42 | tsbere | Mondays aren't a problem for me time-wise if you want to do it later. |
| # | 15:02:43 | eeevil | is 8am Pacific too earlier for westerners? |
| # | 15:03:01 | dbs | I can make the first half hour of 11/1 at 11 |
| # | 15:03:07 | b_bonner | a little early for me, but I mostly lurk anyway |
| # | 15:03:16 | eeevil | tsbere: monday_meetings-- (wow... alliteration with symbols) |
| # | 15:03:21 | Dyrcona | why not the usual 2pm time. |
| # | 15:03:45 | eeevil | hrm... we need our dbs if we can have him |
| # | 15:03:45 | tsbere | eeevil: 11/1 is a monday on my calendar. |
| # | 15:03:55 | Dyrcona | mine, too. :) |
| # | 15:03:56 | eeevil | dur |
| # | 15:03:58 | eeevil | so it is |
| # | 15:04:06 | gmcharlt | back to 11/2 ? |
| # | 15:04:11 | dbs | eeevil works an 8-day week, it's the secret of his productivity |
| # | 15:04:29 | Dyrcona | he needs to upgrade to my 9-day week. |
| # | 15:04:33 | eeevil | dbs: it's the secret ... of my productivity is yet to be seen |
| # | 15:04:34 | Dyrcona | :) |
| # | 15:04:47 | gmcharlt | ok, since we're spinning |
| # | 15:04:52 | gmcharlt | let's say 11/23 for the general meeting |
| # | 15:04:58 | gmcharlt | 11/1 or 11/2 for the dev meeting |
| # | 15:05:00 | dbs | 11/2++ |
| # | 15:05:00 | eeevil | 11/1@2pm EST |
| # | 15:05:03 | eeevil | er |
| # | 15:05:05 | StephenGWills | 11/2++ |
| # | 15:05:06 | eeevil | or not ;) |
| # | 15:05:09 | gmcharlt | with the time to be nailed down on the maiing lists? |
| # | 15:05:14 | StephenGWills | doctor appt on 11/1 at 2 |
| # | 15:05:15 | eeevil | 11/2 @11am EST? |
| # | 15:05:26 | phasefx | sounds good to me # re: mailing list |
| # | 15:05:30 | tsbere | I am ok with 2:15 instead of 2:00 on tuesdays (or thursdays). Just give me a few min of travel time ;) |
| # | 15:05:30 | eeevil | gmcharlt: sure, lists it is |
| # | 15:05:44 | Dyrcona | 11/2 @ 2pm EST would work. I can change tsbere's hours for the day. |
| # | 15:05:52 | Dyrcona | unless he objects. |
| # | 15:06:03 | gmcharlt | ok - so tenatively 11/2 at 2 p.m. EST for dev meeting |
| # | 15:06:08 | gmcharlt | and to be confirmed on list |
| # | 15:06:12 | gmcharlt moves to adjourn |
| # | 15:06:18 | jeff | second! |
| # | 15:06:22 | Dyrcona | third |
| # | 15:06:25 | berick | gmcharlt++ |
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| # | 15:06:44 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt++++: best mc around. |
| # | 15:06:58 | bshum | Agreed. |
| # | 15:06:58 | StephenGWills | oh yo! |
| # | 15:07:01 | afterl pats gmcharlt on the back. Three minutes over - not bad! |
| # | 15:07:04 | eeevil | Dyrcona: not better than mc hammer |
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| # | 15:07:13 | Dyrcona | lol |
| # | 15:07:29 | eeevil | and smaller pants, too ... not sure if that's a plus or minus, though |
| # | 15:07:41 | eeevil steps away for a minute |
| # | 15:07:45 | StephenGWills | don't touch that |
| # | 15:07:54 | afterl groans |
| # | 15:07:56 | LBA | u can't touch ...that |
| # | 15:08:17 | StephenGWills | oh look...work to do. |
| # | 15:08:20 | Dyrcona | not with a 3-meter cattle prod. |
| # | 15:08:24 | StephenGWills | thanks y'all |
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| # | 15:10:10 | Dyrcona goes to see if he can talk someone into joining either or both of DIG and the Communications committee. |
| # | 15:10:29 | bshum | Dyrcona: May the force be with you. |
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| # | 15:11:51 | tsbere | On the subject of my hard due dates patch: I have yet to write an upgrade script, the patch currently has none (but upgrade scripts for the previous incarnation do exist). Should I add that to my todo list, and if so, should it try and maintain data from testing the pre-patch version? |
| # | 15:15:09 | Dyrcona | tsbere: if alpha5 isn't ready tomorrow, we'll apply your patch when I "upgrade" the main test server here. |
| # | 15:15:30 | Dyrcona | we're just running on rel_2_0 at the moment, right? |
| # | 15:15:38 | Dyrcona | not any specific alpha? |
| # | 15:15:55 | Dyrcona | oh, and I succeeded there should be more person for DIG. |
| # | 15:16:52 | Dyrcona goes to check on the answers to his questions himself. |
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| # | 15:17:50 | tsbere | Dyrcona: I think we are on svn checkout of rel_2_0, yes |
| # | 15:18:51 | Dyrcona | we haven't applied your patch on that server, right? you're testing on a virtual machine?--just for the record. :) |
| # | 15:19:20 | tsbere | Dyrcona: Yea, a virtual machine on my workstation. I haven't gotten a functional one on the new servers yet. :( |
| # | 15:20:33 | Dyrcona | all right. i'll do an upgrade tomorrow and a fresh load on thursday, and hopefully everyone will be happy on Monday while I'm on vacation. :) |
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| # | 15:27:34 | kmlussier | Dyrcona: Oh, nice. i didn't realize you would be on vacation. Can I have your cell? ;-) |
| # | 15:28:45 | Dyrcona | kmlussier: I can send you the information that you need tomorrow afternoon. Including a windows installer for the client if necessary. |
| # | 15:29:21 | kmlussier | Dyrcona++ |
| # | 15:30:21 | Dyrcona | It looks like we won't have our training server up and stable enough in time, so we'll just use the one that we have been using. |
| # | 15:30:34 | Dyrcona | Or, at least, I won't plan on it being up. |
| # | 15:30:39 | tsbere | virtual networking is unhappy with me this week. :( |
| # | 15:30:59 | Dyrcona | hard drives have been unhappy with me this week. |
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| # | 16:37:36 | moodaepo | tsbere: I missed the meeting earlier, if I want to try out in-db circ I'm guessing the patch needs to checkout the rel_2_0 branch and apply it to the code for a clean fresh install? |
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| # | 16:44:15 | moodaepo | bshum: Are you still looking at PG Agent to auto-schedule SQL reports? |
| # | 16:44:39 | bshum | moodaepo: I got lazy and just went with the tried and true of using cron. |
| # | 16:45:06 | tsbere | moodaepo: Which indb circ patch you looking to test? I don't have any fallthrough ones that will deal with the hard due date stuff yet. |
| # | 16:45:14 | moodaepo | Would there have been any advantage to PG Agent? |
| # | 16:46:07 | moodaepo | tsbere: I just want to try them out since I was going to give alpha4 a whirl today (fresh install) I saw this mentioned > http://www.mvlc.org/chdd.patch |
| # | 16:46:14 | bshum | moodaepo: The idea of using PGAgent at the time we were investigating was to see if it would be "easier" to integrate those operations with PGAdmin3 since we used that as our primary GUI for looking at database things. |
| # | 16:46:40 | bshum | moodaepo: In actual practice, it was taking me alot longer to figure out how to setup PGAgent to call the scripts I wanted. Plus I had to write new scripts anyways. |
| # | 16:47:05 | bshum | moodaepo: And if memory serves, it seemed that we needed to run PGAgent somewhere in our systems in order to have it do its job. |
| # | 16:47:09 | tsbere | moodaepo: Basic indb circ will work fine without any patches. The chdd.patch file is a change to the (unreleased) hard due date functionality and I don't think will work on alpha4. |
| # | 16:48:52 | moodaepo | bshum: Yup I was going to look into it when I'd heard you wanted to check it out, if I do I'll let you know how things go. |
| # | 16:48:58 | bshum | moodaepo: If all PGAgent seemed to be doing was defining a schedule for the DB scripts, then there still needed to be additional components to handle the actual conversion into formats we needed + email sent out. With that many scripts being called up, it seemed more effective to operate it entirely from the cron. |
| # | 16:49:17 | bshum | I think it might be handy for scheduling maintenance tasks though. |
| # | 16:49:37 | moodaepo | tsbere++ # will do |
| # | 16:50:23 | moodaepo | bshum: Hmm in that case it might be better to go with cron like you did...and what maintenance tasks would you use PG Agent for? |
| # | 16:50:50 | bshum | Yeah, pgAgent calls SQL scripts or shell/batch scripts. |
| # | 16:51:16 | bshum | So it does similar things to what cron does. |
| # | 16:52:25 | bshum | I guess if there was more complexity to the scripts, and steps for the various scripts, pgAgent could handle those. Not sure though, we have a very procedural order for things in the scripts. |
| # | 16:52:39 | Dyrcona thinks it unusual that his Ubuntu Lucid server says a restart is required after having done a shutdown -r now.... |
| # | 16:52:50 | moodaepo | bshum: Yea I don't think I'm going to use it have everything setup that it would provide : ) > http://www.postgresonline.com/journal/archives/19-Setting-up-PgAgent-and-Doing-Scheduled-Backups.html |
| # | 16:53:00 | jeff | Dyrcona: could just be a stuck /etc/motd -- i've seen that |
| # | 16:53:22 | Dyrcona | jeff: will take a look at that when it comes up again. |
| # | 16:53:26 | bshum | moodaepo: That's pretty much the conclusion I drew as well. |
| # | 16:53:49 | moodaepo | Might want to look at your scripts though! |
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| # | 16:57:57 | bshum | moodaepo: They'll be ready sometime soon. |
| # | 16:58:03 | bshum | Well more ready |
| # | 17:00:23 | moodaepo isn't the mantra..release early release often? |
| # | 17:00:42 | moodaepo | : ) |
| # | 17:01:07 | tsbere | moodaepo: Not when you release patches so often the other devs can't keep up. <_< |
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| # | 17:04:36 | moodaepo | true enough |
| # | 17:04:53 | Dyrcona is shutting down the test evergreen server for tonight/tomorrow. |
| # | 17:05:34 | tsbere | Dyrcona: BTW, I don't even have a client installed on my workstation that can log into that server right now, so I probably wouldn't have noticed ;) |
| # | 17:05:59 | Dyrcona | i'm letting you know in case someone (Dave?) asks. |
| # | 17:06:40 | Dyrcona | i'm going to stop the processes and do the svn update. I'll wait to do the make until tomorrow morning. |
| # | 17:06:58 | Dyrcona | I will also update the OS packages now. |
| # | 17:07:00 | tsbere | Don't forget to use the ils20 folder instead of the ils folder on the update. I think ils is trunk. |
| # | 17:07:11 | Dyrcona | OK. Good to know. |
| # | 17:07:41 | tsbere updates the db reload script whenever we change between trunk and 2.0 |
| # | 17:09:00 | Dyrcona | guess i'll update the OS on the db server, too, or is that too risky to try 20 minutes before quitting time? |
| # | 17:10:45 | tsbere | Dyrcona: aptitude safe-upgrade should be safe enough |
| # | 17:13:34 | Dyrcona | tsbere: Is there anything opensrf or evergreen-related (other than Pg) that I need to worry about on the database server? |
| # | 17:14:14 | Dyrcona | Anything that the db reload script won't take care of? |
| # | 17:14:47 | Dyrcona | Hmm. Guess it depends if any new Perl modules are needed since the last time we updated, huh? |
| # | 17:22:29 | tsbere | Dyrcona: That would be about it, yea. |
| # | 17:22:58 | Dyrcona | The OS is updated on the two servers, so I don't have to do that tomorrow. It's going to be another busy day for me. |
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| # | 17:24:34 | tsbere | I have my own work cut out for me figuring out the reason the virtual machines can't talk to the net |
| # | 17:24:57 | tsbere | and once I do, documenting everything and then possibly bringing machine after machine online (real and virtual) |
| # | 17:26:00 | Dyrcona | Yeah, and you'll have to answer my stupid questions about building evergreen clients, too. :P |
| # | 17:29:31 | Dyrcona | TTFN! |
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| # | 17:32:34 | eeevil | tsbere: I'll be working on integrating and backporting you hdd patch tonight or tomorrow morning ... would you perchance like to work on an upgrade script to change the state of the db from pre to post patch? |
| # | 17:33:25 | eeevil | tsbere: and, should I be working from http://www.mvlc.org/chdd.patch or do you have something more recent |
| # | 17:36:00 | eeevil | tsbere: I'll check later ... commuting |
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| # | 17:56:02 | tsbere | eeevil: Changing the base DB state from pre to post is easy. Changing it and keeping old data is harder. I can see what I can come up with, though. And as for "more recent" or not, I literally came to a halt on all of my projects after wrapping up chdd.patch due to new servers giving me grief. |
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| # | 19:08:57 | tsbere can't recall why his potential update function for hard due dates returned an int |
| # | 19:36:51 | tsbere | If I am allowed to say "nobody should be using ths, we can wipe out old hard due date data" then I can get this update script written easily. It is the "saving old data" part that is tough. :( |
| # | 19:37:26 | tsbere | s/ths/this/ |
| # | 19:41:57 | bshum | If it hasn't been part of any releases, would anybody have any existing hard due date data that would need to be saved? |
| # | 19:42:17 | bshum | (other than the folks developing it I guess) |
| # | 19:42:23 | tsbere | People on the bleeding edge and/or testing the original variant, I would assume |
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| # | 20:24:45 | eeevil | tsbere: I was planning to simply drop and recreate the table that you've modified -- it's not in a release or in use by anyone, so no worries on that |
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| # | 20:37:34 | tsbere | eeevil: Oh, that makes it even easier. :D |
| # | 20:39:37 | tsbere | Lets see..... |
| # | 20:39:47 | tsbere | One drop table, two create tables, and two alter tables. That was easy. |
| # | 20:40:03 | tsbere | Untested, but easy. |
| # | 20:40:51 | tsbere | Want me to paste it? |
| # | 20:42:21 | eeevil | sure, thanks |
| # | 20:43:04 | eeevil | actually... would you mind emailing that and the patch to -dev with a DCO? |
| # | 20:43:33 | lisppaste | tsbere pasted "untested upgrade script" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/115729 |
| # | 21:02:11 | tsbere keeps getting interrupted |
| # | 21:06:19 | tsbere | eeevil: I have sent a message to the dev list now. And gotten my copy back. |
| # | 21:11:00 | jamesrf | is there an opensrf call which will return boolean if a given org unit has holdings for a given bib? |
| # | 21:11:42 | jamesrf | closest i can find is open-ils.supercat.record.basic_holdings.retrieve |
| # | 21:12:43 | jamesrf | what i am trying to do is modify open-ils.search.metabib.record_to_descriptors so that it will be able to limit by org unit |
| # | 21:18:12 | jamesrf | currently it sometimes shows item types that might not actually exist at your org unit in the advanced holds screen |
| # | 21:19:01 | jamesrf | it would be nice if this were scoped properly with the check org unit hiding |
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| # | 22:49:49 | dbs | ooh, http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/ is looking nice - time to get that linked and highlighted prominently on http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation.php as a work-in-progress methinks? |
| # | 22:49:54 | dbs | DIG++ |
| # | 22:51:17 | gmcharlt | dbs: yep, now that they have the landing page, it's time |
| # | 22:51:29 | dbs is editing documentation.php as we speak |
| # | 22:51:56 | gmcharlt | dbs++ |
| # | 22:51:57 | gmcharlt | DIG++ |
| # | 23:04:41 | dbs | http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation.php is updated |
| # | 23:04:56 | dbs | CSS is a bit weird but oh well, content > format |
| # | 23:07:12 | dbs | I'm going to suggest to the DIG that they add a link to instructions for reporting doc bugs to the footer of their HTML pages - maybe they can use bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen too |
| # | 23:08:32 | gmcharlt | good idea |
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