2012-01-18T04:59:31 *** Shae has quit IRC 2012-01-18T05:00:19 *** Shae_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T05:00:21 *** Shae_ is now known as Shae 2012-01-18T07:58:12 *** collum has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T08:24:26 *** akilsdonk has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T08:28:02 *** Shae_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T08:29:25 *** Shae has quit IRC 2012-01-18T08:29:38 *** Shae_ is now known as Shae 2012-01-18T08:37:28 *** _bott_ has quit IRC 2012-01-18T08:38:04 *** _bott_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T08:53:25 just fyi, EG-IN master server was updated this morning (client - http://master.evergreen.lib.in.us/updates/manualupdate.html) 2012-01-18T08:54:56 * tsbere is still toying with an automatically updating variant of a master server 2012-01-18T08:55:25 I have something like 90% of the "automatically" done, just getting around to the last 10%.... 2012-01-18T08:57:02 *** mrpeters-isl has quit IRC 2012-01-18T08:57:14 *** mrpeters-isl has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T08:58:57 wikipedia is supposedly blacked out. I didn't notice until I saw a banner. because I don't normally run their javascript and the blackout is javascript based. >_> 2012-01-18T09:04:16 yeah a lot of sites are today. good to know that trick in case i need anything from there lol 2012-01-18T09:05:35 A lot of other sites the "bypass the blackout" button is javascript-based. if they bothered to have one. 2012-01-18T09:05:54 Today is going to screw up my "what sites I let run javascript" list bigtime. 2012-01-18T09:06:53 On the other hand, my 3 main goof-off sites have no "off" button for the blackout. So I might end up doing work through lunch too. 2012-01-18T09:07:21 hey...a perfect time for that other 10%! 2012-01-18T09:07:41 *** Meliss has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:11:14 * tsbere wonders if anyone read his response to Brian's email and had opinions on what he said there 2012-01-18T09:32:28 *** jenny has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:34:07 *** AaronZ-PLS has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:37:48 *** dbs has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:39:33 *** adbowling-isl has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:40:57 tsbere: your "temporary" copy location approach would work well for academic reserves, too (items that are placed in a special location for a period of time) 2012-01-18T09:41:18 dbs: Oh goody, more use cases. More use cases makes the development more worthwhile. 2012-01-18T09:41:19 so I would be a big +1 to that 2012-01-18T09:44:27 I guess staff watch the "location" column in the checkin UI so it gets reshelved in the appropriate location? 2012-01-18T09:45:00 To be honest, I decided to give the whole "flag this location as an alerting location" bit from the email a try this morning. 2012-01-18T09:45:01 * dbs isn't sure how most sites deal with that; I think we typically use call number prefixes or suffixes for location purposes 2012-01-18T09:45:44 "This is in a non-standard location with special handling. Yell at the staff member so that they notice!" 2012-01-18T09:46:05 dbs: we use "route to" for both transits and some special things, like "route to cataloging" when the status is cataloging (or it's an R-type hold) and it's checked in at the circ lib 2012-01-18T09:46:36 * tsbere is taking his "yell at them about the location" code into that "route to" framework...or is trying to, anyway 2012-01-18T09:46:47 by "we" I mean "the software today" 2012-01-18T09:46:48 s/taking/tacking/ <_< 2012-01-18T09:47:01 rock 2012-01-18T09:47:31 I think the *hard* part is going to be updating the editor. >_> 2012-01-18T09:47:51 tsbere: just rewrite it in HTML5 :) 2012-01-18T09:48:03 dbs: That would make it the *really* hard part ;) 2012-01-18T09:48:13 I guess we should get Evergreen on foss4lib.org 2012-01-18T09:48:30 dbs: on it already :) 2012-01-18T09:48:43 eeevil++ 2012-01-18T09:48:44 (not me personally, but it is being on'd) 2012-01-18T09:49:20 Ooh, Elaine with the sensible non-electronic suggestion 2012-01-18T09:49:25 ehardy++ :) 2012-01-18T09:49:48 Heh 2012-01-18T09:50:11 as for the "display reference status" bit, surely the copy reference attribute is available to the JSPAC 2012-01-18T09:51:07 *** mdevilz has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T09:51:08 dbs: actually, probably not. the data for the the copy summary is significantly trimmed down ... expand down to showing copy details, yes 2012-01-18T09:51:24 * dbs just lifting his head above water after editing & reingesting 300K bibs for the located URI visibility change in 2.1, only to run into https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/918020 2012-01-18T09:51:25 Launchpad bug 918020 in Evergreen "2.0-2.1 upgrade script has wrong version of biblio.extract_located_uris" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] 2012-01-18T09:52:10 Hi, I was wondering if I want to make a new admin would I want to use System Administrator or Global Administrator? 2012-01-18T09:53:12 depends on what the admin should be able to do 2012-01-18T09:53:30 eeevil: hmm. unapi.acp has the "ref" attribute 2012-01-18T09:53:35 * tsbere gets to attend a meeting for a short period of time this morning <_< 2012-01-18T09:54:08 tsbere, everything :) 2012-01-18T09:54:21 the same as the original account created 2012-01-18T09:55:05 mdevilz: while we have an admin account - the one account that's created by default - we changed the password to something random and have never used it in the past 2 years 2012-01-18T09:55:40 (that said, I also do most administration via SQL, so I'm probably not a good model for the ideal case) 2012-01-18T09:55:46 mdevilz: If you want them to be able to do it all the "Global" variant is probably what you want. 2012-01-18T09:55:58 * tsbere isn't going to put money behind that statement, though 2012-01-18T09:56:15 mdevilz: Do *not* forget a work OU, though. Otherwise the permissions won't be applied. 2012-01-18T09:56:22 * tsbere goes to the meeting previously mentioned 2012-01-18T10:01:08 mhmm wonder what tsbere means by work OU ... time to go read some more 2012-01-18T10:03:39 nevermind found it 2012-01-18T10:03:41 i believe 2012-01-18T10:05:35 mdevilz: "Working Location" within the user permission editor 2012-01-18T10:09:46 csharp, thanks :) that's what I thought it was when i stubmled across it 2012-01-18T10:15:59 * dbs is working towards the "most technical response to a -general mailing list question" award 2012-01-18T10:16:00 *** Shae_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T10:17:29 *** Shae has quit IRC 2012-01-18T10:17:38 *** Shae_ is now known as Shae 2012-01-18T10:19:07 dbs: indeed (re unapi.acp), but is that being used in jspac to render the copy summary? I didn't think so, but it's been a while since I dove into that ... you were talking about jspac, right? 2012-01-18T10:19:15 but in tpac it's there for sure 2012-01-18T10:19:31 eeevil: yeah, we pull marcxml-full in result_table.xml 2012-01-18T10:19:45 eeevil: response is on list if you want to tear it apart :) 2012-01-18T10:20:53 * eeevil wishes to tear nothing 2012-01-18T10:30:22 woo, the base code works! Now to update the editor >_> 2012-01-18T10:38:42 Anyone have thoughts on the copy location editor and whether or not I should bother adding the "checkin alert" field to the "create a new" compared to the "edit an existing" area? Label Prefix/Suffix appears to only exist in the edit, but the rest does appear in the create new (including all the other on/off flags). 2012-01-18T10:49:21 dbs: no, that looks awesome, I just didn't remember the jspac using bibtemplate for the copy summary ;) 2012-01-18T10:49:43 *** sal_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T10:49:55 tsbere: ideally, all of those would be in both new and edit UIs 2012-01-18T10:50:57 eeevil: I am lazy. Adding in my new one I can see. Got a good argument for me digging out enough to add in the prefix/suffix in the "new" area? ;) 2012-01-18T10:52:04 *** Shae_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T10:53:06 *** enhancin has quit IRC 2012-01-18T10:54:26 *** Shae has quit IRC 2012-01-18T10:54:27 *** Shae_ is now known as Shae 2012-01-18T10:56:02 *** enhancin has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T10:56:17 I'm having problems with the Z3950 servers 2012-01-18T10:56:31 I tried to add some new ones and now it says that they aren't working...when I try to search them it says i'm not even connected to the server. 2012-01-18T10:56:50 tsbere: it's a better experience for the user? :) but, it's not a problem you created. if you're in the area and inclined to fix it, I'm sure it would be appreciated. if not, noone can hold it against you 2012-01-18T10:58:42 I guess the error is occuring when it fetches the results or something 2012-01-18T10:58:51 Can't call method \"option\" on an undefined value at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenILS/Application/Search/Z3950.pm line 366 2012-01-18T11:00:43 Oh dear it looks like it's happening when connected to the Library of Congress 2012-01-18T11:01:42 Actually...only when I use two certain ones at a time 2012-01-18T11:03:03 *** tspindler has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T11:12:18 anyone have any clues as to why New Z3950 servers wouldn't be being searched? 2012-01-18T11:13:43 enhancin: Which version of Evergreen are you using? (wondering if it's an opensrf.xml thing vs. database config thing) 2012-01-18T11:14:00 it's the database config. We're on 2.1 I think 2012-01-18T11:14:08 2.1.0 2012-01-18T11:14:27 opensrf only shows the LoC, OCLC stuff 2012-01-18T11:17:43 *** tspindler has quit IRC 2012-01-18T11:20:17 enhancin: I suppose it's possible that some conflict is occuring with opensrf.xml and config.z3950_* entries, but I haven't set ours up in new ways in awhile. 2012-01-18T11:20:20 I doubt that. 2012-01-18T11:20:40 What search is breaking? 2012-01-18T11:20:52 I wonder if the field you're using is giving you troubles. 2012-01-18T11:21:09 I'm just doing an ISBN search for a book. It's only in the libraries we added I guess, 10 digit no dashes 2012-01-18T11:21:11 Alternatively, what version of Yaz was installed with your Evergreen on your OS? (just wondering in case it's a bad Yaz version going on) 2012-01-18T11:21:34 Yaz better be the right version, I had trouble with it if I remember correctly and had to something fun 2012-01-18T11:25:19 yeah, I think I have the right yaz...trying to figure out which one I have installed because I have 3.0.47 and 4.2.18 sitting here 2012-01-18T11:27:41 gotta be 4.2 2012-01-18T11:27:52 I remember facet.h missing and the diff of the install dir and the yaz 3.0 is very different 2012-01-18T11:29:20 I'm going to leave this open and check the archive from my netbook but I've got some errands to run. If you have any input go ahead and leave it. I'll be reading occaisionally and responding. Thanks everybody for the continuous help you give me and I hope to pay you all back one day. 2012-01-18T11:31:19 enhancin: I'll ponder it, but that error is new to me. 2012-01-18T11:31:30 Maybe someone else will have some thoughts. 2012-01-18T11:34:17 enhancin: you need to add the config.z3950_attribute entries via SQL to the database, if you haven't already. IIRC. 2012-01-18T11:39:18 eeevil: Filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/918280 with the "add label prefix/suffix to the new part of the copy locations editor". Only because it was insanely easy to do while I was fixing a typo in the checkin_alert section, though ;) 2012-01-18T11:39:19 Launchpad bug 918280 in Evergreen "Add Copy Location Alert at Checkin" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New] 2012-01-18T11:41:51 *** youdonotexist has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T11:47:43 tsbere: good stuff ... see? "in the area" works out sometimes :) 2012-01-18T11:49:17 moodaepo / bshum: oversight board is discussing a motion to add info about SOPA to evergreen-ils.org, I'll work on a branch with the suggested header changes in case it passes in time to join in :) 2012-01-18T11:50:02 dbs: Yeah I was just reading bkuhn's reply to the thread. 2012-01-18T11:50:26 *** collum has quit IRC 2012-01-18T11:51:00 * bshum waits and sees all the votes hopefully go around :) 2012-01-18T11:51:01 *** jenny1 has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T11:52:01 *** mdevilz has quit IRC 2012-01-18T11:52:05 *** jenny has quit IRC 2012-01-18T11:53:52 can anyone tell me where the sound files are located within the staff client? 2012-01-18T11:54:24 our already jumpy catalogers are having heart attacks over the red alert sound ;-) 2012-01-18T11:54:43 HA 2012-01-18T11:54:54 csharp: I think phasefx wrote up a page on how to change those on the wiki 2012-01-18T11:55:04 oh? cool 2012-01-18T11:55:13 don't black out the site yet then ;-) 2012-01-18T11:55:37 Heh, csharp++ 2012-01-18T11:55:45 csharp: constants.js should contain the urls 2012-01-18T11:55:56 * jeff fixes external credit card payments (finally) 2012-01-18T11:55:58 if you want to just change them globally 2012-01-18T11:56:00 csharp: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=scratchpad:custom_audio 2012-01-18T11:57:46 tsbere: bshum: thanks 2012-01-18T12:04:05 *** Shae_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T12:04:33 Hello folks. I am digging a little more deeply for the first time into the TPAC, and am interested in working on some of the default styles. I know there was a layout related branch that got merged in last month, but I am really thinking more on the simpler color and spacing level. Are there current efforts in that arena which I can join, or shall I setup a new collab branch? 2012-01-18T12:05:28 *** Shae has quit IRC 2012-01-18T12:05:42 *** Shae_ is now known as Shae 2012-01-18T12:06:10 dbwells: I would suggest small, quick branches with associated bugs rather than large-scale long-lived parallel collab branches, personally 2012-01-18T12:06:32 and communicate lots 2012-01-18T12:07:10 and consider merging branches like https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/913605 first 2012-01-18T12:07:10 Launchpad bug 913605 in Evergreen "TPAC: Make columns for search results entries line up" (affected: 1, heat: 12) [Undecided,New] 2012-01-18T12:07:44 there is a lot of work to do 2012-01-18T12:08:31 bshum: I don't have write access to the Evergreen_Website repo but I could send a patch somewhere 2012-01-18T12:08:54 dbs: *points at tsbere about write access 2012-01-18T12:09:00 But you can send me or moodaepo the patch. 2012-01-18T12:10:01 * tsbere wonders if he should just create a working repo for the website >_> 2012-01-18T12:10:11 I suppose we should have a better structure for the website repo's sometime. I guess I've been evil and putting stuff straight to master over there. 2012-01-18T12:10:42 bshum: The website is fairly easy to tell if it is broken, at least ;) 2012-01-18T12:10:50 tsbere: That much is true. 2012-01-18T12:11:07 *** enhancin_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T12:11:43 bshum: Looks like the website is writable by you, phasefx, moodaepo, gmcharlt, and myself. Repo-wise anyway. Should I pop dbs onto that list? 2012-01-18T12:11:46 dbs: the entries that I see in there,are they usually the same for every server or would I need to figure out what works for each server? 2012-01-18T12:12:08 enhancin_: unique per server, in my experience. 2012-01-18T12:12:11 bshum: yeah, I was thinking there's a lot of stuff to delete :) 2012-01-18T12:12:18 dbs: sure, sounds good. I know style is subjective, so I don't want to completely disrupt someone else's vision of how the default template should look, if such a vision exists. 2012-01-18T12:12:26 cool...they have a ton of servers so this could probably take a while 2012-01-18T12:12:31 dbs++ 2012-01-18T12:13:11 tsbere: dbs used to be website stuff too, so.... yes? 2012-01-18T12:14:27 dbwells: I'm not sure a design vision has been expressed anywhere if it does exist, beyond some of what MassLNC mentioned (although most of what they've mentioned has been functional in nature) 2012-01-18T12:15:47 dbs: Added you to the website list 2012-01-18T12:15:50 bshum: ^ 2012-01-18T12:15:51 enhancin: I think I populated that table with the equivalent of "INSERT INTO config.z3950_attr (name, col1, col2, col3) SELECT 'name', col, col, col FROM config.z3950_attr WHERE name = 'loc'; (again, off top of my head) for each target server 2012-01-18T12:16:12 tsbere++ 2012-01-18T12:16:20 tsbere++ 2012-01-18T12:16:28 pushed my branch to dbs/sopastrike 2012-01-18T12:17:03 * bshum pushes dbs to go vote 2012-01-18T12:18:08 bshum: Will you get on it or should I? 2012-01-18T12:18:24 dbs: Do you think that could cause problems? I don't want to run a blanket fix and have it ruin it more...I'm just wondering if all of the Z39.50 servers will output roughly the same format, or if they choose their own individual stuff? 2012-01-18T12:19:07 It's a "standard" supposedly, but I know our old Horizon server fiddled with the attribute numbers. 2012-01-18T12:19:14 how rude.. 2012-01-18T12:19:23 So I couldn't trust the "defaults" set forth by LOC 2012-01-18T12:19:44 moodaepo: I'm watching the votes, but you can do it! 2012-01-18T12:19:49 * bshum still afraid of git things 2012-01-18T12:19:53 I'm not saying I didn't need to tweak things after - I certainly did - just a quick way of starting to flesh them out if need be 2012-01-18T12:20:02 ahh alright 2012-01-18T12:20:17 well, sounds like fun. I'll get to work. thanks dbs and bshum 2012-01-18T12:20:21 *** enhancin_ has quit IRC 2012-01-18T12:22:33 an old dump of our z39.50 settings is at http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/browser/conifer/branches/rel_2_0/tools/config/config_z3950.sql 2012-01-18T12:23:15 truncation, IIRC, was one of the most frequently variable settings 2012-01-18T12:27:06 dbs: You have any further input on the temporary copy location stuff before I start considering implementation details? 2012-01-18T12:27:42 * tsbere has a very limited use case set, and only a partial view of the academic one....not being directly involved with academic libraries in general right now 2012-01-18T12:31:34 dbs: Would you mind doing the update on the website? The notice looks good and seems like we have sufficient votes. Graci 2012-01-18T12:31:59 *** AaronZ-PLS has quit IRC 2012-01-18T12:32:44 *** Callender has quit IRC 2012-01-18T12:35:05 moodaepo: wouldn't mind at all. gmcharlt, you think we have enough votes? By my count, we're at +4 (assuming that Lori as mover is a +1) 2012-01-18T12:38:04 dbs: I was thinking of doing a small blog entry using the text for propriety...or you could while you are being the web dude again : ) 2012-01-18T12:38:48 * dbs has probably burned too much "not strictly Laurentian U focus" already 2012-01-18T12:39:28 tsbere: not much more to say on temporary copy location stuff, other than that it sounds like a good direction! 2012-01-18T12:39:48 *** Callender has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T12:45:29 *** mdevilz has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T12:57:18 so, http://evergreen-ils.org/ is updated 2012-01-18T12:57:46 *** AaronZ-PLS has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T12:58:09 (it ain't pretty, but it only has a few more hours to live) 2012-01-18T12:59:32 dbs++ 2012-01-18T13:01:36 *** jbondharris has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T13:02:12 i'd mention WP:WEASEL here, but wikipedia's blacked out, so... 2012-01-18T13:02:24 * jeff grins 2012-01-18T13:02:38 jeff: wikipedia works fine for me! 2012-01-18T13:02:41 noscript++ 2012-01-18T13:04:41 Does anyone have expertise with the Staff Client? We are seeing errors in the console screen for the client, indicating files that cannot be found (newly installed client, BTW). It seems to be lloking for folders that it did not create durin ginstallation :-( 2012-01-18T13:04:42 updated the banner with a link to the whitehouse.gov post behind the "Others say" quote 2012-01-18T13:05:03 dbs: Can you see any "temporary" durations beyond "as soon as the next checkin happens" and "as of this date" for restoring the old location? Or other reasons a location might want to be changed, for that matter? 2012-01-18T13:05:28 jbondharris: I have plenty of experience with the staff client. Will need a lot more info than that, though ;) 2012-01-18T13:08:02 *** enhancin has quit IRC 2012-01-18T13:08:25 *** adbowling-isl has quit IRC 2012-01-18T13:09:11 *** jbondharris has quit IRC 2012-01-18T13:09:57 *** sal_ has quit IRC 2012-01-18T13:10:35 * dbs could use a crash-course in how load is calculated, given the reports from our monitoring service suggesting our main DB has a load of 1077, while "top" shows CPU as 97% idle 2012-01-18T13:11:18 * dbs reads the wikipedia page 2012-01-18T13:14:34 if I'm not mistaken, load is the number of processes ready & waiting to run 2012-01-18T13:14:53 shadowspar: that's what wikipedia says 2012-01-18T13:14:55 it doesn't map directly to CPU or RAM usage % at all 2012-01-18T13:15:53 and NFS or I/O blocking can increase the number waiting to run dramatically 2012-01-18T13:16:21 * dbs also wonders whether our monitoring system uses its own load calculation and forgets to divide by 48 cores 2012-01-18T13:18:36 hmm: "DISPLAY REAL LOAD AVG IF REQUESTED FROM A SUGGESTION BY adam@wesolveit.com.au" 2012-01-18T13:19:18 * csharp recommends http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10688 to dbs 2012-01-18T13:19:25 * berick bets it's all those Quake server processes 2012-01-18T13:20:46 yeah, these stupid scripts are calculating their own load avg instead of using uptime, apparently 2012-01-18T13:21:06 @love proprietary monitoring software 2012-01-18T13:21:06 dbs: The operation succeeded. dbs loves proprietary monitoring software. 2012-01-18T13:21:25 @love supybot plugins 2012-01-18T13:21:25 csharp: The operation succeeded. csharp loves supybot plugins. 2012-01-18T13:22:22 * dbs updates proprietary monitoring software accordingly 2012-01-18T13:24:31 I just noticed 2012-01-18T13:24:43 It looks like the conference schedule is updated 2012-01-18T13:24:48 http://evergreen2012.org/schedule/ 2012-01-18T13:24:52 Has times for stuff up there 2012-01-18T13:25:01 bshum: yeah, noticed that earlier today, I probably should have shared 2012-01-18T13:25:05 4 tracks(!) 2012-01-18T13:25:19 Indeed. 2012-01-18T13:27:41 yeah, just realized we're all going to miss 75% of the talks 2012-01-18T13:27:44 csharp++ #forthearticle 2012-01-18T13:28:15 berick: Some of us may miss more ;) 2012-01-18T13:28:38 tsbere: indeed, *at least* 75% 2012-01-18T13:29:59 csharp: thanks 2012-01-18T13:30:07 *** sal_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T13:30:13 * dbs hopes there will be recordings 2012-01-18T13:31:41 * tsbere is thinking he has time slots he doesn't care about anything in, but without better descriptions he isn't sure as some of the titles tell him nothing about what is being talked about 2012-01-18T13:32:08 * dbs assumes that the descriptions will be linked in by the end of the week 2012-01-18T13:36:32 Hah! I'm going to need a clone. I'm scheduled to give two talks at the same time. 2012-01-18T13:37:01 jeff: I just got to that. 2012-01-18T13:37:13 jeff: Fun :) 2012-01-18T13:37:55 jeff: haha 2012-01-18T13:38:06 jeff++ 2012-01-18T13:38:13 isn't your talk about cloning? 2012-01-18T13:38:56 jeff: there's a chicken and an egg wanting to speak with you 2012-01-18T13:39:09 lol@gmcharlt 2012-01-18T13:41:07 *** kmlussier has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T13:44:42 *** jbondharris has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T13:45:07 OK, let's see if the screen will refresh for me... 2012-01-18T13:46:33 tsbere: I don' tknow if my messages from an hour ago posted - what info could I provide to help figure out why the Staff Client can't find (some of) its files? I have the console window available to me. 2012-01-18T13:47:04 jbondharris: Depends on the files. The file *names* might help for starters. 2012-01-18T13:50:55 jbondharris: if it's still choking on ws_info.xul, among others, have you found anything in the apache *error* log (important, not the access log) corresponding to the 404? that will tell you the actual filesystem path that apache is trying to find. whether that path corresponds to an existing file or not will determine the next troubleshooting step 2012-01-18T13:51:50 jbondharris: if on the other hand, the 404s refer to resources with "nls" and "en-US", that's something else entirely, and you likely can/should just ignore those 2012-01-18T13:52:07 also *_custom.css and the like 2012-01-18T13:52:15 aye 2012-01-18T13:55:01 * tsbere finds it annoying that the custom js files, despite returning 404 errors, still get parsed (generating errors) 2012-01-18T13:55:47 *** Shae has left #evergreen 2012-01-18T13:56:34 tsbere: yuck. is that in all/some browsers, or just xulrunner? 2012-01-18T13:57:34 tsbere: From Staff Client console: C:\Users\login\AppData\Roaming\OpenILS\open_ils_staff_client\Profiles\eefyj7ef.default\chrome\ws_info util.file.get_content(): File does not exist 2012-01-18T13:57:36 jeff: I see it in xulrunner, where I believe it is doing a "did we get a response" check before attempting to eval the response, instead of a "did we get a success response" check. I have yet to figure out how to fix it, mainly because I only usually remember when fighting with something else that is broken (and thus more important at the time) 2012-01-18T13:58:00 jbondharris: that won't exist until you have registered a workstation, to my knowledge. 2012-01-18T13:58:55 tsbere: The is no "chrome" folder under eefyj7ef.default, so -- Just saw your comment - so we can ignore this "error"? 2012-01-18T13:59:58 jbondharris: I don't think it is an issue. Move on to the next one ;) 2012-01-18T14:01:15 jeff: For added fun, I think I once looked and found every instance of the stupid "eval the response" was checking for a 200 status. :/ 2012-01-18T14:01:23 tsbere: We can't register the workstation, tho, because we cannot get any files from th eserver :( 2012-01-18T14:01:45 jbondharris: I point you back at senator's comments then 2012-01-18T14:03:07 tsbere: When I continue to login, the console does not show any other errors. We only get the "Not Found" message for ws_info.xul in the Workstation window.. I will tkae another look at the apache error log now... 2012-01-18T14:03:54 jeff: Actually, now that I look, I think on my dev machine my main issue is the complaint that HTML files aren't XML files on the 404 response pages from custom.js.....which may be because they are being loaded with an XMLHttpRequest. :( 2012-01-18T14:04:36 jbondharris: You need to figure out what is causing the ws_info.xul to not be found. Ignore any other missing files ;) 2012-01-18T14:05:59 *** adbowling-isl has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:06:00 senator: After my latest attempt to log in, there were no errors in the Apache error log. The access log shows the 404 response to what the staff client was trying to GET. 2012-01-18T14:06:13 *** dbs has quit IRC 2012-01-18T14:12:26 tsbere: Oh, would that I could... the apache access log shows GET /opac/... 200; then GET /xul/rel_2_1_1/server/ 200, two POSTS from the server, and then the GET /xul/rel_2_1_1/server/mail/ws_info.xul with the 404 2012-01-18T14:13:02 If it did ask for mail I think something is corrupt. I suspect it asked for main, though (in the ws_info.xul path) 2012-01-18T14:13:34 I can provide a log excerpt, if desired. Oh, and we tried the Staff Client from an XP box with the same result, so it does not appear to be Win 7 related. 2012-01-18T14:13:58 jbondharris: If apache returned a 404 step 1 is "make sure the file exists and apache can read it" 2012-01-18T14:14:00 tsbere: That was just my fat-fingering the message - sorry. 2012-01-18T14:16:01 We're running out of things to try at this end. We have tried four different clients, including one that is not on the domain with the others. Could there still be some network configuration causing the problem, even in that case?? 2012-01-18T14:17:02 jbondharris: Check that the file does, in fact, exist, that the permissions on it and all directories leading to it are correct, that the owners of all of the path elements are correct, and that apache is running as the correct user. 2012-01-18T14:19:31 *** dbs has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:19:31 *** dbs has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:26:24 @hate 100% CPU apache processes 2012-01-18T14:26:24 dbs: The operation succeeded. dbs hates 100% CPU apache processes. 2012-01-18T14:28:34 tsbere: The files an ddirectories are all owned by opensrf, the directories all have permissions at 755, the file at the bottom is 644, and all of th eapache processes are running under opensrf. 2012-01-18T14:29:15 dbs: process still alive? 2012-01-18T14:29:26 berick: killed it, usual strace 2012-01-18T14:29:41 wait another couple of days and we'll probably get it again 2012-01-18T14:29:52 and then we'll quickly have a half-dozen 2012-01-18T14:30:01 dbs: mind capturing the lsof output when it does? 2012-01-18T14:30:07 berick: can do 2012-01-18T14:30:15 jbondharris: Did you "sudo a2dissite default" or similar? (just checking) 2012-01-18T14:30:18 dbs: i assume you're not running debug opensrf log level? 2012-01-18T14:30:26 dbs++ 2012-01-18T14:30:57 berick: naw, INFO 2012-01-18T14:31:01 k 2012-01-18T14:31:15 need another few terabytes to kick up to DEBUG 2012-01-18T14:31:26 tsbere: I can't remember, but let me try. 2012-01-18T14:31:48 yeah, debug'll slow you down, too 2012-01-18T14:31:52 *** natschil has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:35:30 dbs: Care to look over http://egdev.mvlcstaff.org/Temp_copy_locations ? 2012-01-18T14:37:29 tsbere: YAHOO! The install guide said it was optiional, so I did not do it ((:-( ). At least now I am past that sticking point! Hopefully (the eternal optimism of "youth") it will be smooth sailing from here. 2012-01-18T14:38:04 jbondharris: Tis optional unless you are using IPs or names not in your eg.conf file, anyway. 2012-01-18T14:39:04 *** tecoripa has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:40:34 tsbere++ jbondharris++ 2012-01-18T14:41:59 tsbere++ jbondharris++ 2012-01-18T14:43:09 tsbere: Thanks again for asking that key question! Sorry again for being testy yesterday. My boss is much happier now! 2012-01-18T14:43:32 so - "If you do not disable the default site, you must add a VirtualHost entry for each hostname you plan to use to access the Evergreen server" or something like that? 2012-01-18T14:43:46 dbs: ServerName or alias entry, I think. 2012-01-18T14:44:08 tsbere: oh right, could have multiple Server* entries per VirtualHost 2012-01-18T14:45:10 multiple virtualhosts came into play for me with setting up different tpac-overrides per hostname, but there are probably smarter ways than the approach I took 2012-01-18T14:45:23 For placing nice with other apps (HAH!) we should move all the and Aliases and such in eg.conf into eg_vhost.conf.... 2012-01-18T14:45:27 errr 2012-01-18T14:45:30 s/placing/playing/ 2012-01-18T14:45:32 <_< 2012-01-18T14:46:34 dbs: I used wildcards in single virtualhosts (we have an extra one for an alt SSL cert, though) and just checked against the hostname. I mailed the list my method for that stuff at one point. 2012-01-18T14:47:18 tsbere: for setting TT overrides per hostname? okay 2012-01-18T14:48:14 dbs: For setting a *lot* of things per hostname. Don't think I have much TT stuff in there, but I change a lot of other things at this point, like rewrites for CSS and logo files, env vars for novelist select, etc. 2012-01-18T14:48:49 tsbere: yeah, I remember that. I was asking about TT though 2012-01-18T14:49:50 * dbs was thinking having the ability to edit copies should be sufficient for setting temporary copy location-age - and also thought that the Copy Editor would be the only place that would have to live (under the "Location" column) 2012-01-18T14:50:41 * dbs really needs to do non-Evergreen things for some period of time today 2012-01-18T14:51:19 dbs: I don't think that is sufficient unless I really want to screw with the editor there to specify "save as temp" as an option or something similar. 2012-01-18T14:52:09 * dbs welcomes better approaches than http://bzr.coffeecode.net/2011/tpac_tutorial/TPAC_development_101.html#_how_to_override_templates 2012-01-18T14:53:02 better than http://bzr.coffeecode.net/2011/tpac_tutorial/TPAC_development_101.html#_defining_multiple_layers_of_overrides to be specific 2012-01-18T14:54:26 *** tecoripa has left #evergreen 2012-01-18T14:56:44 That page looks fun. 2012-01-18T14:56:54 * bshum bookmarks it for later 2012-01-18T14:56:59 Thanks dbs 2012-01-18T14:57:01 tsbere: as another academic on Evergreen, I certainly have some interest in seeing a better way to have a temporary copy location. That said, I have looked over the page, and am not sure if we have any use cases where the location should automatically change/revert on a given date. 2012-01-18T14:58:06 dbwells: we typically pull things off of reserve at the end of term, which is what the given date would help with for us; some things get placed back on reserve, of course 2012-01-18T14:59:10 dbwells: What would your desire for "coming out of temporary location" be, then? 2012-01-18T15:00:54 dbs: right, but I guess I still see that as still something a bit more deliberate (e.g. a 'take off reserve' action) which causes the location to revert. In other words, the reserve itself would expire, but I wouldn't want the location to change until someone took action on it. 2012-01-18T15:03:03 * dbs assumes a report listing the stuff that changed from temp location to norm location in the past 24 hours would drive someone to go pull those items, check em in, and put them in their new location 2012-01-18T15:03:47 dbs: My plan was "wait for checkin before changing the location" 2012-01-18T15:03:58 tsbere: right, that's what the checkin would do 2012-01-18T15:04:18 sorry, s/that changed/that are supposed to change/ 2012-01-18T15:05:35 My thought was "if the temp location is set to expire as of *now* then it sticks around until passed through checkin again, either due to coming back from the temp location or having been checked out by someone, regardless of how long that may take" 2012-01-18T15:06:25 Hadn't really considered grabbing a list of "temp location expired" copies to play fetch with, though. 2012-01-18T15:06:54 tsbere: I would just do it as a report, no fancy interfaces 2012-01-18T15:07:12 dbwells: If you can't tell, I am still in the planning phase on this. Thoughts as to how you think it should happen, or how you would like it to be possible to happen, are welcome. 2012-01-18T15:09:09 dbs: To make such a report with the extra table would mean I will need to ensure some IDL links exist that I may not have added before considering it, though. ;) 2012-01-18T15:09:52 tsbere: thanks for the assurance. I should also add that I am speaking off the cuff (something I very rarely) do, so I don't have any well developed ideas either. 2012-01-18T15:10:46 dbwells: Then provide me with the basic desired workflows and/or use cases you have, even if you don't know how to best implement them. 2012-01-18T15:11:00 We have reserves starting and ending at various points throughout the semester, and in some cases our reserves might circ for up to three days. The problem case I am considering is if an item is checked out, then the reserve period ends, then it is returned, I am quite sure our reserve coordinator would not want the item going back to the stacks without going through some kind of 'un-reserve' process. 2012-01-18T15:11:04 * tsbere is willing to develop the ideas, just needs to know what use cases said ideas need to cover 2012-01-18T15:12:23 Hmmm. 2012-01-18T15:12:38 hmm. if you chain locations, you could create an "Unreserve" location for Calvin :) 2012-01-18T15:13:19 dbwells: Perhaps a checkin modifier, so that an item's location only updates if checked into a workstation with the modifier active? Would stop SIP2 and renewal checkins from automatically updating locations, and requiring the modifer will make checkins for those not using the features not be slowed down by the extra checks? 2012-01-18T15:13:52 Then only your reserve coordinator enables the modifier 2012-01-18T15:15:59 tsbere: I do think a check-in modifier is a good idea. I was going to ask if your plan page meant checkin in the narrow sense or return or in the broad sense of 'let's use the scanner to make stuff happen'. In that sense, I think it makes perfect sense :) 2012-01-18T15:16:15 s/or return/of returns/ 2012-01-18T15:17:29 You might also have a flag to show whether the modifier is required or not, if people do want to take a looser approach. 2012-01-18T15:18:03 No, please, no flags on flags :) 2012-01-18T15:18:24 Requiring the checkin modifier makes sense 2012-01-18T15:18:36 and is relatively simple 2012-01-18T15:21:05 Not to conjure up the ghost of Sirsi, but not *everything* about Unicorn stunk, and they had the simple idea that all items have a 'home location' and a 'current location'. They then proceeded to abuse the field in many ways, but it was surprising how much milage they got out of such a basic concept. 2012-01-18T15:22:11 Oh, there are many times I wish we had a "current location" in evergreen. Would make some of the work berick is doing on "hold at the wrong pickup library" a lot easier too. Just a PITA to keep up to date, I think. 2012-01-18T15:23:55 I say that because I think even a really basic 'tuck away the location->use a different location->restore the old on command' workflow would get us a long way. 2012-01-18T15:24:16 dbwells: as in, copy location (not org unit)? 2012-01-18T15:24:32 berick: right, copy location 2012-01-18T15:25:13 dbwells: Well, once I have the code base in place for the *copy* location portion, doing so for, say, the circ lib would be a copy/paste job, I think ;) 2012-01-18T15:25:51 dbwells: if memory serves, the current location was actually a checkout to a recirculating location ... was it an actual field, or calculated based on the circulation stack? 2012-01-18T15:27:00 s/recirculating location/recirculating USER/ 2012-01-18T15:30:40 * dbs seems to recall it as a recirculating user 2012-01-18T15:30:48 boy, I am surprised at how foggy it is, but I think it was an actual field, at least in that it didn't require a circ (for something like reserves, for instance). Of course, all circs then mucked with the current location, as it would change to CHECKEDOUT for a normal user or LOST if you checked it out to the special LOST user, etc. 2012-01-18T15:33:12 One reason I am fairly confident (and this might actually be another use case) is that we handled our 'New Books' location that way. We wanted a book to sit on the New Books shelf only until it was checked out, so we would set the current-location to 'New Books', then that value would get clobbered to 'Checked out' when someone circ'ed it, then the 'Home location' would restore when it came back. 2012-01-18T15:34:54 The good old days ;) 2012-01-18T15:35:00 dbwells: Sounds like you want two use cases in one. "Every checkin can trigger the change" (for 'New Books') and "Only the right person/workstation checking in can trigger the change" (for Reserves) ... Perhaps a flag on the temp location table (settable when you populate it) to say whether or not to require the checkin modifier? 2012-01-18T15:38:17 * dbs could go for a "requires checkin modifier" flag on the temp location 2012-01-18T15:38:36 *** jbondharris has quit IRC 2012-01-18T15:38:55 There is also, I suppose, the option of not putting that on the temp location table, but on the copy location table. "if temp, require modifier to clear" 2012-01-18T15:39:31 Or, in reverse, "if temp, do not require modifier to clear" - Then we say "if the modifier is active *or* the copy location says it is clearable directly...." 2012-01-18T15:40:42 sticky temporary locations vs. non-sticky 2012-01-18T15:40:46 tsbere: I know I wasn't very specific, but that is what I was thinking when I mentioned the flag above (that is, a flag in the temp location entry). Beyond that, I hesistate to suggest that we too strongly consider workflows which were designed around our abuse of our former system. 2012-01-18T15:40:57 :) 2012-01-18T15:41:46 dbwells: yeah, stick to putting items on / off reserve at term boundaries would you? :) 2012-01-18T15:41:50 dbwells: I am now leaning towards the checkin modifier, and if we want to have two different "clear modes" I can see tieing those to the assignment of the temp location, or to the temp location itself. I am currently leaning towards the latter, and could see our people using the new books location like that. 2012-01-18T15:42:07 dbs: sticky vs. non-sticky, I think I like that 2012-01-18T15:42:31 Thus we would set the new books as able to be cleared without the modifier, but you wouldn't do that for the "Reserves" location 2012-01-18T15:43:43 tsbere: Well I'll be darned if that doesn't seem to make perfect sense. 2012-01-18T15:48:16 tsbere: hope this was helpful, I need to take care of something else. I'd be happy to give some more input once things are a little further along. 2012-01-18T15:59:29 *** Meliss has quit IRC 2012-01-18T16:05:42 dbs / dbwells : I came up with an idea other than a "sticky" flag of some kind. How about making it a *permission* check? If a permission is needed the checkin modifier needs to be active *and* you need to have the specified permission. If you don't want to need a special permission pick something like the staff login permission? 2012-01-18T16:06:16 Then you can have multiple people responsible for different locations, and ensure they don't accidentally (due to all having the modifier active) clear someone else's 2012-01-18T16:06:40 * dbs fears the complexity 2012-01-18T16:07:19 The entire feature is a complexity. :P 2012-01-18T16:14:05 I was understanding "sticky" = "needs modifier". We'll might need some sort of permission consideration, but using them as varying levels of stickiness seems a little counter to the modifier idea in the first place. Or would you expect the modifier to generally be on at the normal circ desks (in this perm-based idea)? 2012-01-18T16:14:56 I am thinking the New Books example where we want it to always 'un-stick'. 2012-01-18T16:15:30 dbwells: My thought was "if the location has a permission then it is sticky and needs the modifier". Alternatively, make the permission and "sticky" independant settings so you can have sticky ones that just need the modifier and not-sticky ones that still need the permission. 2012-01-18T16:16:12 If they are split then the permissions being assigned could also define the list of *valid* temporary locations, instead of being able to pick *any* location. 2012-01-18T16:16:55 Then for "any" location being a valid temp use a global variant of the permission 2012-01-18T16:17:01 *** adbowling-isl has quit IRC 2012-01-18T16:22:29 tsbere: If the permission is optional, then that does solve my never-stick question. Maybe it's my end of the day brain talking, but I am also fearing the complexity of adding permissions to the mix. 2012-01-18T16:23:28 dbwells: Well, a permission would allow you to guarantee, even if someone does have the modifier enabled, that only the reserves staff can set/clear the reserves temporary location. Using "staff login" for the new books location would allow anyone to set/clear that one. 2012-01-18T16:33:55 *** kmlussier has quit IRC 2012-01-18T16:35:21 tsbere: Just one library's opinion here, but I think for us, a single 'REVERT_TEMP_LOCATION' perm (which would control whether you could use the modifer at all) would suffice. I do see the merits of what you are saying, though. And, I am really out for now, thanks for hearing my input. 2012-01-18T16:37:19 dbs: poking at 909578. any particular areas you're concerned about? 2012-01-18T16:37:31 bug 909578 2012-01-18T16:37:32 Launchpad bug 909578 in Evergreen "TPAC: Preserve session prefs across URLs via consistent mkurl() usage" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909578 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (erickson-esilibrary) 2012-01-18T16:38:57 berick: there may need to be more "clear params" added for some interactions, but I think on the whole it's pretty good to go 2012-01-18T16:41:36 thanks to MVLC I think most of the "needs clearing" bits were reached 2012-01-18T16:41:46 (at least, as existed at the time) 2012-01-18T16:42:34 one came to mind while testing.. clearing the advanced search "pane" when leaving the advanced search interface (e.g. the Basic Search link) 2012-01-18T16:44:38 *** Callender has quit IRC 2012-01-18T16:44:49 which i think means always clearing it (except for the pane links, of course) 2012-01-18T16:45:26 * berick might push that as a follow-up 2012-01-18T16:48:10 that isn't "clear" to me but I'm not looking at a working instance at the moment 2012-01-18T16:49:34 dbs: https://dev198.esilibrary.com/eg/opac/advanced?pane=numeric from here, click on 'basic search', then back to 'advanced search' 2012-01-18T16:49:51 could be seen as a feature, remembering (sometimes) your last advanced search entry point 2012-01-18T16:50:15 *** graced has quit IRC 2012-01-18T16:50:15 oh, yeah, that's how I took it 2012-01-18T16:50:22 pane is clobbered when you actually run a search from advanced search 2012-01-18T16:50:38 i guess we'd need to pick one or the other 2012-01-18T16:50:47 for consistency 2012-01-18T16:53:05 *** Callender has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T16:57:08 sure, I don't care much as long as we keep moving towards not throwing away chosen search depth et al (except when you hit "Another Search" which acts as the "clear all settings and go back to this site's defaults") 2012-01-18T16:57:24 search depth/site, whatever :) 2012-01-18T16:57:35 right, agreed 2012-01-18T17:02:23 bashing my head against @$foo->{bar} vs @{$foo->{bar}} -- oops. 2012-01-18T17:03:20 ref($foo->{bar}) == 'ARRAY', but meanwhile @$foo->{bar} errors with "Not an ARRAY reference". 2012-01-18T17:03:26 anyway, fixed my brain. moving on! 2012-01-18T17:03:40 I think have hit my head against that before, annoyingly enough. 2012-01-18T17:06:45 * dbs kisses berick 2012-01-18T17:07:24 * berick has one more up his sleave today 2012-01-18T17:11:54 *** dbs has quit IRC 2012-01-18T17:13:35 *** akilsdonk has quit IRC 2012-01-18T17:16:27 *** artunit_ has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T17:16:59 *** artunit has quit IRC 2012-01-18T17:17:05 *** artunit_ is now known as artunit 2012-01-18T17:30:13 *** AaronZ-PLS has quit IRC 2012-01-18T17:44:49 *** jenny1 has quit IRC 2012-01-18T17:59:33 *** natschil has quit IRC 2012-01-18T18:12:22 *** enhancin has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T18:12:32 Is there a way to import a .Z20 file Z39.50 Profile? 2012-01-18T18:42:20 *** Callender has quit IRC 2012-01-18T18:51:00 enhancin: Z20 file? 2012-01-18T18:51:11 I figured out it's just a Z file..they added on a number 2012-01-18T18:51:18 Ah 2012-01-18T18:51:19 i'm not sure..it's a Z39.50 server profile 2012-01-18T18:51:44 *** sal_ has quit IRC 2012-01-18T18:51:51 So did you get it imported? 2012-01-18T18:52:04 * moodaepo didn't know you could do that btw 2012-01-18T18:52:05 no...i'm trying to figure out where I can or how I can translate it =/ 2012-01-18T18:52:10 I didn't either 2012-01-18T18:52:20 i'm trying to figure out an easy way to add many Z39.50 servers without doing a ton of configuration 2012-01-18T18:52:25 What version of Evergreen are you working with? 2012-01-18T18:52:29 2.1.0 2012-01-18T18:52:53 We added ours directly into the db 2012-01-18T18:53:08 *** Callender has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T18:53:29 yeah, the config.z3950_attr table needs to have entries in it though for the servers 2012-01-18T18:53:33 enhancin: You could look at this for examples > http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/browser/conifer/branches/rel_2_0/tools/config/config_z3950.sql 2012-01-18T18:53:48 In case you haven't seen that already 2012-01-18T18:53:56 right...we have many many z39.50 servers to add 2012-01-18T18:53:59 I tried just adding them...like that 2012-01-18T18:54:09 but we're not getting any results, even on known results. 2012-01-18T18:55:00 If you paste a few I could load it on our dev server and give it a go 2012-01-18T18:58:16 Alameda County Public Library INNOPAC@alam1.aclibrary.org:210 This is one that we're trying. The ISBN that we're searching for is 0394739949 2012-01-18T19:00:56 enhancin: I can search it via yaz-client I presume that works for you too 2012-01-18T19:01:29 yeah, I can also go to their little web gateway and search 2012-01-18T19:01:39 but i think the problem is that evergreen can't identify the fields correctly 2012-01-18T19:01:48 which is where the Z39.50 profile would come in 2012-01-18T19:02:31 Hold on I'm loading it into our dev server 2012-01-18T19:03:38 Alright, I'll be afk for a couple minutes. 2012-01-18T19:07:59 *** mdevilz has quit IRC 2012-01-18T19:09:13 alright..let's see 2012-01-18T19:12:13 *** youdonotexist has quit IRC 2012-01-18T19:12:32 Yup same issue here and the strange thing is it's not showing any error in the logs 2012-01-18T19:25:40 exactly 2012-01-18T19:31:38 I tried going through a MARC record from them that I got off their web catalog..but i'm still not getting anything really 2012-01-18T19:41:09 enhancin: I think it's because Evergreen does the search so @attr 1=7 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 "0394739949" when I try that exact search in yaz-client it says - Search was a bloomin' failure. 2012-01-18T19:41:43 i'm let me see here... 2012-01-18T19:42:05 In yaz-client if I search like this it works fine - f @attr 1=7 "0394739949" 2012-01-18T19:45:15 the isbn that I got from alameda was in the 20a subfield 2012-01-18T19:45:27 on my marc record from online 2012-01-18T19:46:11 Was it for "Chinese fairy tales and fantasies"? that's what is returned when the search is successful 2012-01-18T19:46:33 yes. 2012-01-18T19:46:47 hmm 2012-01-18T19:47:36 It could just be that their z39.50 server is not very tolerant while others are. We use Seattle Public Library's server from time to time and it works fine with searches from Evergreen 2012-01-18T19:48:02 quick question for anyone online now who may know... - with in-db circ, the magnetic_media flag on a circ modifier is what tells a selfcheck machine whether to disable the magnetic strip right? 2012-01-18T19:48:25 so if set to "true" a selfcheck machine will *not* "pop" it 2012-01-18T19:48:33 is my understanding correct? 2012-01-18T19:51:54 * moodaepo does not use self check machines 'yet' so can't be of any use to csharp 2012-01-18T19:52:33 I will work under the assumption that I'm correct and experiment 2012-01-18T19:52:36 moodaepo: thanks ;-) 2012-01-18T19:53:11 same, csharp. sorry. Sounds reasonable to me though 2012-01-18T19:56:54 I was able to find something under Access Pennsylvania...still not alameda 2012-01-18T20:18:38 csharp: i can confirm your understanding is accurate or at least was in the js scripts 2012-01-18T20:19:01 jamesrf: thanks 2012-01-18T20:27:07 *** bwicksall has quit IRC 2012-01-18T21:54:53 *** mdevilz has joined #evergreen 2012-01-18T21:55:41 Hi, I am looking at where I can add more identification types? Is there a way to do this through the staff client? Or do I need to do it through psql? 2012-01-18T21:55:44 Thanks! 2012-01-18T22:01:45 and is there a way to view the id for the different libraries/sub libraries? 2012-01-18T22:15:06 *** mdevilz has quit IRC 2012-01-18T22:30:17 unsurprisingly, forcing overpayment on a transaction results in somewhat undesireable outcome. 2012-01-18T22:33:17 namely, both a refund being due, and a patron credit balance. 2012-01-18T23:39:20 guess I'll pull down the SOPA/PIPA notice now 2012-01-18T23:39:44 moodaepo++ # for posting the blog entry