2008-09-17T00:51:42 *** noob_evergreen has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T00:53:54 hi all 2008-09-17T00:57:52 *** noob_evergreen has quit IRC 2008-09-17T01:37:52 gah. this mods -> mods32 stuff ain't as easy as it seemed; updates to a number of config values and Ingest.pm so far 2008-09-17T01:38:10 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T01:38:20 time for sleep 2008-09-17T01:38:23 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T02:02:39 *** mlasater has quit IRC 2008-09-17T02:02:51 *** mlasater_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-17T02:02:55 *** mlasater_ is now known as mlasater 2008-09-17T07:04:41 *** Mark__T has quit IRC 2008-09-17T07:06:16 *** Mark__T has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T08:01:31 *** wlayton has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T08:21:21 *** bag has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T09:10:41 *** bag has quit IRC 2008-09-17T09:15:14 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T09:29:14 *** asmodai has quit IRC 2008-09-17T09:44:45 *** bag has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T09:50:16 i really approve of 'noob_evergreen' as a nickname choice 2008-09-17T09:54:52 *** Mark__T has left #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T09:55:27 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T10:05:35 miker_: sooo... my mods to mods32 work isn't going too well. grr. 2008-09-17T10:05:53 why's that? 2008-09-17T10:06:24 btw, we've had complaints about ISBD removal ... which is extended in mods 3.2, IIRC 2008-09-17T10:06:26 I think I've found all of the corners where mods32 needs to be defined or set to the default or whatever 2008-09-17T10:06:45 but the result on ingest is a namespace error 2008-09-17T10:07:45 fwiw, using a manual transform to generate mods32 results in author results like "Ontario." instead of "Ontario" 2008-09-17T10:08:46 how about I post a patch that shows what I was trying to do last night, and you tell me where I'm even more of a bonehead than you already think I am 2008-09-17T10:08:59 ha :) 2008-09-17T10:09:26 well, you're poking at my code, so you're assured to be less boneheaded than me 2008-09-17T10:18:02 dbs pasted "bonehead mods32" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/66999 2008-09-17T10:19:20 and now I'm off to a meeting for a bit. meetings-- 2008-09-17T10:19:56 *** gmcharlt has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-17T10:20:09 oh, and artunit is on strike 2008-09-17T10:20:41 *** gmcharlt has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-17T10:21:47 eh? 2008-09-17T10:27:02 a hush falls over library land 2008-09-17T10:38:55 *** dbs_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T10:39:45 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T10:40:03 *** dbs_ has quit IRC 2008-09-17T10:46:36 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T10:57:43 *** mrpeters-isl has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T10:58:27 morning everyone...i am looking for a good resource detailing what permissions each usertype has by default (circ1, circ2, cat1, cat2, etc.) does anyone know if this is available anywhere? 2008-09-17T11:02:16 dbs annotated #66999 with "direct_ingest error with patch in place" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/66999#1 2008-09-17T11:03:36 mrpeters-isl: if those are modelled after PINES, they might have some documentation. EG out of the box doesn't come like that. You can also query the database or go to the bootstrap admin interface to see those 2008-09-17T11:03:41 mrpeters-isl: hmm, should be able to generate a list via SQL 2008-09-17T11:04:10 i was just looking for a general summary...nothing too detailed 2008-09-17T11:04:23 * dbs notes that skmurphy put a lot of work into adding more perm descriptions at http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-user:permission_list and somebody (maybe me) should add those to the db 2008-09-17T11:04:37 SELECT code, depth, grantable, a.description FROM permission.grp_perm_map AS c, permission.perm_list AS a, permission.grp_tree AS b WHERE grp = b.id AND perm = a.id AND b.name = 'Circ1'; 2008-09-17T11:32:26 sboyette: any objection to changing if [ "$OS" == "Darwin" ] to if [ "$OS" = "Darwin" ] (single =) to appease /bin/dash on ubuntu? 2008-09-17T11:33:11 as well as the following test 2008-09-17T11:34:46 no, of course not 2008-09-17T11:34:56 i think that's probably more correct everywhere 2008-09-17T11:35:05 k, thx 2008-09-17T11:35:11 i forget that makefiles are actually shell 2008-09-17T11:36:36 there's probably a better way to do platform detection all-around, btw. but that seemed a decently reliable first swipe 2008-09-17T11:39:33 yeah, it gets the job done. 2008-09-17T11:45:00 ha, I love how new tickets get assigned to erickson automatically 2008-09-17T11:47:57 hungry hippo 2008-09-17T11:49:29 oh yeah, i don't want that one ;) 2008-09-17T11:50:28 it's a copy and paste job, assuming the descriptions are correct, so I can do it 2008-09-17T11:51:02 we should also consider merging that schema description patch that hit the list about a month ago - again assuming the descriptions are correct 2008-09-17T12:03:25 dbs: ahh... I see the problem. inside ingest, the namespace prefix is assumed to be the same as the type name, so you need your xpath to say things like //mods32:mods/mods32:name instead of //mods:mods/mods:name 2008-09-17T12:04:09 miker_: ahh. you know, that was my first kick at the can; and then it didn't work; and then I realized I needed to add the definitions for mod32 to various places 2008-09-17T12:04:46 * dbs wishes that the exception would have said "unrecognized namespace 'mods'" :) 2008-09-17T12:05:58 now, with in-db ingest (whenever that ends up happening) that assumption won't be required .. however, by default, it is set up that way (see name vs prefix on config.xml_transform) 2008-09-17T12:07:41 oh you genius you 2008-09-17T12:09:08 miker_++ 2008-09-17T12:18:36 dbs pasted "MAFE diffs between mods and mods32" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67010 2008-09-17T12:21:04 dbs annotated #67010 with "MTFE diffs between MODS32 and MODS" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67010#1 2008-09-17T12:22:24 dbs annotated #67010 with "MSFE diffs" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67010#2 2008-09-17T12:24:48 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T12:43:22 dbs: one thing kbeswick_ may want to consider: if i run 'make install' as root in ILS, i can no longer run 'make clean' as myself, since some apache mod files are compiled at install time 2008-09-17T12:43:30 e.g. rm: cannot remove `.libs/osrf_json_gateway.o': Permission denied 2008-09-17T12:45:40 well, that was an opensrf example, obviously, but same situation exists in both repos 2008-09-17T12:53:23 dbs: as i'm i18n-ifying vandelay, is there a preferred spot for the dtd entities to live? keep on using opac/locale/*/lang.dtd ? 2008-09-17T13:03:12 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T13:07:33 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T13:16:08 *** Branflakes has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T13:20:42 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T13:46:20 *** skmurphy_ has quit IRC 2008-09-17T13:47:49 *** skmurphy_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T13:56:55 *** chrissharp123 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T13:58:37 phasefx: gee, that indexdata problem should probably go on a faq 2008-09-17T13:58:46 if only the faqs were on a wiki! 2008-09-17T14:00:46 they are 2008-09-17T14:00:49 oh 2008-09-17T14:00:51 doh 2008-09-17T14:07:06 berick or miker_: objections to moving the vandelay seed data into 950.sql? right now build-db.sh barfs 2008-09-17T14:08:02 doh if that was prod to have me do it :) 2008-09-17T14:08:03 dbs: IIRC, 245h (GMD) shouldn't be printed/indexed in that form in any case ... the FF should be used (and i18n-ized for display) 2008-09-17T14:08:31 dbs: re mtfe diffs 2008-09-17T14:09:08 miker_: the mods32 change made sense to me 2008-09-17T14:09:10 other than that, I don't see any substantive differences. the rest is just stripped ISBD (yay!) 2008-09-17T14:09:16 heh 2008-09-17T14:09:44 right, so we agree ... removing the 245h version of GMD is a good thing, yes? 2008-09-17T14:09:45 phasefx: oh, i could add it there too 2008-09-17T14:09:51 miker_: yes! 2008-09-17T14:09:55 goood 2008-09-17T14:09:55 k 2008-09-17T14:10:26 wonder if that FAQ is sending folks to the right place for building and installing EG 2008-09-17T14:11:14 I'm becomming a librarian. :) The FAQ is definitely not pointing to the right place 2008-09-17T14:11:15 removing 245h 'tis a dramatically good change 2008-09-17T14:11:51 phasefx: next thing, you'll become a tech writer and schedule reviews with developers for accuracy and stuff 2008-09-17T14:12:15 maybe one day I'll just make changes and beg forgiveness after the fact 2008-09-17T14:12:16 miker_: so i'll pull the trigger on the mods -> mods32 bits, then 2008-09-17T14:12:29 now we just need to figure out a way to remove []'d crap from improperly cataloged records that don't separate out the gmd 2008-09-17T14:12:54 dbs: I think so, yes. and thanks! 2008-09-17T14:13:11 miker_: hella-thanks to you for getting me through the last mile 2008-09-17T14:15:56 is the author of AddedContent.pm in the house? 2008-09-17T14:16:39 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-17T14:16:44 dbs: updated the faq to point to server_installation, and updated server_installation to point out your heads up indexdata email 2008-09-17T14:16:56 nevermind, I just checked svn, and it's berick who takes care of that side of the shop. I'll find him off list. 2008-09-17T14:17:47 Branflakes: did you figure out a good approach for web services? 2008-09-17T14:18:01 phasefx++ # you rawketh 2008-09-17T14:23:53 There are no good approaches, only ones that work. :) 2008-09-17T14:24:38 *** bag_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T14:25:59 *** bag has quit IRC 2008-09-17T14:27:14 What I'm trying to figure out now is AddedContent.pm. 2008-09-17T14:28:00 Specifcally, how or when does handler() ever get called? 2008-09-17T14:30:10 Branflakes: this is the mod_perl bit? 2008-09-17T14:30:16 Yeah. 2008-09-17T14:30:31 handler() is called by mod_perl on each request that's router to that module 2008-09-17T14:30:52 dbs: did you see my questions regarding i18n/vandelay from above? 2008-09-17T14:31:05 Thank you! That makes it a little clearer, I think. 2008-09-17T14:31:10 berick: nope 2008-09-17T14:31:21 it's the default sub name ... it can be overridden by supplying a fully qualified sub name instead of just a package name in the PerlContentHander (or PerlHandler) apache directive 2008-09-17T14:31:35 dbs: do you have any preference on where the dtd entities live.. continue using lang.dtd? 2008-09-17T14:31:58 lang.dtd is fine, this is for staff use, not public 2008-09-17T14:32:10 k 2008-09-17T14:32:27 berick: apologies, i've had some random system freezes today 2008-09-17T14:32:46 no prob, i haven't gotten that far yet, anyway 2008-09-17T14:33:53 so I know it will be a PITA for development purposes, but the vandelay stuff prereqs data in 950 2008-09-17T14:34:30 *** bag_ has quit IRC 2008-09-17T14:35:04 and 950 is where I generate translatable text from - so I'd like to move the INSERT statements into 950 if you can deal with the PITA 2008-09-17T14:35:33 why will it be a pain for dev? 2008-09-17T14:35:34 how about copy and comment it out in 012? 2008-09-17T14:35:42 berick: for reloading the schema files 2008-09-17T14:35:46 file 2008-09-17T14:36:02 miker_: ah, that's a fine plan 2008-09-17T14:36:12 but the schema's mostly stablized (for 1.4 anyway) so it's not critical, IMO 2008-09-17T14:36:32 (but it'd be handy to have it in the same file) 2008-09-17T14:37:32 some possibility of things getting out of sync if you modify just in 012 and forget to propagate to 950, but life's about balance 2008-09-17T14:39:03 zango - done 2008-09-17T14:39:30 dbs++ 2008-09-17T14:40:27 dbs-- # for jumping the gun on indexdata.dk 2008-09-17T14:41:37 augh, the /* in the xpath got interpreted as an end comment 2008-09-17T14:41:56 dbs: you know ... there's a mods 3.3 (and I /think/ a 3.4) out now ... /me ducks 2008-09-17T14:42:21 miker_: last i looked, marc2mods3.3 stylesheet hadn't been released yet 2008-09-17T14:43:00 ahh ... I haven't looked recently, so I'm probably all wet 2008-09-17T14:43:55 dbs: /* may be fooling vim, but shouldn't hurt SQL ... I usually just stick -- */ at the end of the line for vim's benefit ... 2008-09-17T14:44:06 no, seriously 2008-09-17T14:44:27 I think psql is unhappy with nested comments 2008-09-17T14:45:10 ahh... $$ quotes, then :) 2008-09-17T14:46:29 miker_: how do you like :%s/^--// 2008-09-17T14:46:49 hahaha 2008-09-17T14:46:58 NO COMMENTS FOR YOU 2008-09-17T14:51:07 dbs: are you referring to the keyword|keyword index definition? 2008-09-17T14:51:48 miker_: no, just a simpleton alternative to $$ quotes 2008-09-17T14:52:36 sorry, I mean, is that what seems to be confusing psql 2008-09-17T14:52:44 heh 2008-09-17T14:52:57 no, it's the xpath in the vqbrad inserts 2008-09-17T14:53:11 oh ... 2008-09-17T14:56:46 hrm... nothing's jumping out at me as a problem in there 2008-09-17T14:56:57 but .... whatever fixes it 2008-09-17T15:04:01 *** sylvar has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T15:04:48 miker_: http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/mods-conversions.html still says "MARCXML to MODS (most current version 3.3 coming soon)" 2008-09-17T15:04:49 What is Comet? What do we use it for? Why is it so named? #conifer 2008-09-17T15:04:59 sylvar: ? 2008-09-17T15:05:42 "Replicate the Comet environment on starburst/galaxy" (http://conifer.mcmaster.ca/node/34) 2008-09-17T15:06:01 It's one of our pilot servers 2008-09-17T15:06:15 YOU don't use it! 2008-09-17T15:06:17 :) 2008-09-17T15:06:26 OK. 2008-09-17T15:06:45 Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something whiz-bang I should know about. 2008-09-17T15:06:56 dbs: thanks for checking ... glad I was wrong ;) 2008-09-17T15:07:02 (and they were named by the admins after some astrophysics theme: comet, starburst, dwarf, galaxy, darkmatter) 2008-09-17T15:07:11 oh, they're whiz-bang all right 2008-09-17T15:07:34 I've been looking around for the functional specs of acquisitions, serials, and reserve-bookroom so I can tell the university's staff what's currently being implemented/planned. 2008-09-17T15:07:35 miker_: yeah, I checked before starting on the mods32 stuff because I'm naturally lazy and want to avoid redoing work 2008-09-17T15:07:56 sylvar: no reserve-bookroom specs that I'm aware of 2008-09-17T15:08:04 I stumbled across the Comet reference because I couldn't remember where I'd found that info in the past 2008-09-17T15:08:57 dbs: that's not lazy, it's smart. lazy would be what I would do ... "I think 3.2 is the newest, but I'm too lazy to check" 2008-09-17T15:09:05 (not really ... mostly) 2008-09-17T15:09:15 ok, dbs, thanks. And if someone remembers where the acq & serials specs are before I can find 'em, speak up? 2008-09-17T15:09:23 sylvar: a search on the wiki for "academic reserves" will do you wonders :) 2008-09-17T15:09:29 http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=feature:academic_reserves 2008-09-17T15:09:59 ah, ACADEMIC reserves... slight shift in terminology. :) 2008-09-17T15:10:07 I was trying to browse from the top level. 2008-09-17T15:10:10 * dbs is reminded that he has less than one month to implement and write an article about the implementation thereof for academic reserves 2008-09-17T15:10:17 dbs++ 2008-09-17T15:10:44 sylvar: assuming that's what you're looking for, and not "I want to book a projector / study room for tomorrow afternoon" 2008-09-17T15:12:11 no, resource scheduling is a separate category in my mind, though I've known reserves to be used for study-room keys. 2008-09-17T15:12:42 but the "tomorrow afternoon" part is well beyond the scope of what I'd consider reserve-bookroom functionality. 2008-09-17T15:22:55 dbs: would http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=acq:functions be the corresponding document that best encapsulates what Acq will do and what it will look like? 2008-09-17T15:52:16 *** lisppaste6 has quit IRC 2008-09-17T15:52:32 *** lisppaste6 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T15:56:39 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2008-09-17T16:00:01 *** dchristensen has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-09-17T16:02:17 Hi folks... got time for a newbie question regarding Evergreen installation? 2008-09-17T16:02:54 I'm following the instructions at http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=installing_evergreen_1.2_on_ubuntu_7.10 2008-09-17T16:03:22 *** kgs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T16:03:47 dchristensen: we can try to help, what's up? 2008-09-17T16:04:04 ...when I try testing connections to Evergreen with srfsh, I get "???: login admin open-ils" rather than the "Received data" stuff. 2008-09-17T16:04:37 have you setup a file called .srfsh.xml in the home directory of the user invoking srfsh? 2008-09-17T16:04:47 yep 2008-09-17T16:05:23 settings-tester.pl tells me " 2008-09-17T16:05:23 /usr/local/lib/dbd/libdbdpgsql.so 2008-09-17T16:05:23 was not linked against libdbi - you probably need to compile libdbi-drivers from source with the --enable-libdbi configure switch. 2008-09-17T16:05:47 yeah, that'd hurt you 2008-09-17T16:07:40 The adept package manager (I'm on kubuntu) doesn't seem to know what libdbi-drivers is.... 2008-09-17T16:07:53 (heh - neither do I...) 2008-09-17T16:08:42 did you do step 6 here? http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=server_installation:debian_gentoo_ubuntu_prerequisites_makefile 2008-09-17T16:09:24 yes, didn't seem to be any problems 2008-09-17T16:10:24 David, I seemed to recall having a similar error in settings-tester.pl on an Ubuntu 8.04LTS server that I'm running without any ill effects, but I'm going to go back and check again... 2008-09-17T16:10:36 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T16:10:44 Thanks 2008-09-17T16:12:11 this page might help, too: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=libdbi 2008-09-17T16:12:43 Ah, thanks. I'll give that a go :-) 2008-09-17T16:13:07 I think a certain version of libdbi has a bug with how it handles the --enable-libdbi flag 2008-09-17T16:13:50 FWIW, I do get the same error in settings-tester.pl on a working Evergreen install on Ubuntu here in BC. 2008-09-17T16:14:09 it may be that you have to omit --enable-libdbi with your version 2008-09-17T16:14:36 Ok, getting the sources now.... :-) 2008-09-17T16:14:52 * phasefx has to go get ready for a doctor's appointment. "Good luck! 2008-09-17T16:16:29 dchristensen: if you installed the prerequesites with Makfefile.install, you should not have to build libdbi by hand 2008-09-17T16:16:50 see if there is anything useful in the srfsh log before you go through the trouble 2008-09-17T16:17:02 okay... sec.... 2008-09-17T16:17:12 * berick uses Makefile.install all the time with no problems 2008-09-17T16:19:45 From the srfsh log, this seems relevent: srfsh 2008-09-17 15:18:22 [WARN:12983:srfsh.c:539:] Unable to connect to remote service open-ils.auth 2008-09-17T16:19:58 (I can post the entire log if you'd like....) 2008-09-17T16:20:26 dchristensen: see if any services are running: ps ax | grep -i open 2008-09-17T16:21:37 Yep, there's a whole whack of them :-) 2008-09-17T16:22:12 I don't see open-ils.auth, though....? 2008-09-17T16:24:23 dchristensen: grep ERR /openils/var/log/osrfsys.log 2008-09-17T16:26:30 [2008-9-17 14:4:54] opensrf.settings [ERR :12127:MessageWrapper.pm:21:] MessageWrapper received bad XML : error = :1: namespace error : Namespace prefix stream on error is not defined 2008-09-17T16:26:34 [2008-9-17 14:5:34] open-ils.supercat [ERR :12173:MessageWrapper.pm:21:] MessageWrapper received bad XML : error = :1: namespace error : Namespace prefix stream on error is not defined 2008-09-17T16:26:38 [2008-9-17 14:5:34] open-ils.ingest [ERR :12174:MessageWrapper.pm:21:] MessageWrapper received bad XML : error = :1: namespace error : Namespace prefix stream on error is not defined 2008-09-17T16:26:42 opensrf 2008-09-17 14:05:34 [WARN:12172:transport_session.c:600:] ERROR Xml fragment: Replaced by new connection 2008-09-17T16:26:42 opensrf 2008-09-17 14:05:34 [ERR :12172:osrf_settings.c:48:] No osrf_message received from host david-desktop (timeout?) 2008-09-17T16:26:42 opensrf 2008-09-17 14:05:34 [ERR :12172:osrf_settings.c:67:] Unable to load config for host david-desktop 2008-09-17T16:26:42 opensrf 2008-09-17 14:05:34 [ERR :12172:osrf_system.c:77:] Unable to retrieve settings for host david-desktop from configuration file /openils/conf/opensrf_core.xml 2008-09-17T16:26:45 opensrf 2008-09-17 14:05:34 [ERR :12172:opensrf.c:25:] Server Loop returned an error condition, exiting with -1 2008-09-17T16:26:48 [2008-9-17 14:5:35] open-ils.collections [ERR :12181:MessageWrapper.pm:21:] MessageWrapper received bad XML : error = :1: namespace error : Namespace prefix stream on error is not defined 2008-09-17T16:26:59 chrissharp123: try using this instead :) http://paste.lisp.org/new/openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T16:27:41 :-) thanks 2008-09-17T16:27:47 dchristensen: stop services, then use 'ps' to see if any are sticking around, forcibly kill them if you need to, then start back up 2008-09-17T16:30:39 *** mrpeters-isl has quit IRC 2008-09-17T16:34:59 ejabberd was the only one that didn't shut down; killed it, and then started everything up again (ejabberd, memcached, and the 3 osrf_ctl ones) 2008-09-17T16:35:29 trying the srfsh bit again still gives me ???: login admin open-ils 2008-09-17T16:36:43 (ditto for "login admin evergreen", if that is supposed to be the database name....) 2008-09-17T16:37:49 looks to be the same messages in osrfsys.log 2008-09-17T16:40:52 phasefx: the libdbi thing is a red herring 2008-09-17T16:41:17 I need to pull that from settings-tester.pl, in the later versions it doesn't matter 2008-09-17T16:42:25 dchristensen pasted "srfsh log" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67027 2008-09-17T16:42:54 dchristensen: post your opensrf_core.xml and opensrf.xml files, please 2008-09-17T16:43:04 dbs: thanks, good to know 2008-09-17T16:44:33 dchristensen pasted "opensrf_core.xml" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67028 2008-09-17T16:45:34 dchristensen pasted "opensrf.xml" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67029 2008-09-17T16:45:49 * berick needs to concoct a dojo grid column picker of some sort 2008-09-17T16:48:22 dchristensen: anything in /openils/var/log/osrfsys.log? 2008-09-17T16:49:50 berick: it's probably the sort of thing everyone is waiting for someone else to do, because it will be such a pain 2008-09-17T16:50:32 dbs: no joke. it seems we've reached the point where it's gonna have to be Team Evergreen 2008-09-17T16:50:44 i may try a non-integrated approach for round one 2008-09-17T16:51:31 just hiding/unhiding the cols is easy, how to present the options to users is what i'm pondering now 2008-09-17T16:51:55 dchristensen pasted "osrfsys.log, after "system is ready" message" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/67031 2008-09-17T17:03:50 dchristensen: man, I dunno 2008-09-17T17:04:14 and I've gotta get home, my wife is going to kick my butt 2008-09-17T17:04:30 No worries - thanks for your time on this :-) 2008-09-17T17:04:57 dchristensen: you ran perl -MNet::Domain -e "print Net::Domain::hostfqdn();" to determine the hostname in opensrf.xml, right? 2008-09-17T17:05:30 Yes. david-desktop 2008-09-17T17:05:53 okay. - really gotta go :( 2008-09-17T17:05:55 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-09-17T17:06:16 This is my home system, so I really don't want to wipe it and reinstall from scratch... 2008-09-17T17:06:47 ... but if you've got any tips on toasting the evergreen install, and resinstalling *that*, I'd be most grateful :-) 2008-09-17T17:07:27 *** sylvar has quit IRC 2008-09-17T17:09:29 *** chrissharp123 has left #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T17:10:56 *** bag_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T17:14:18 *** bag_ has quit IRC 2008-09-17T17:49:25 *** dchristensen has quit IRC 2008-09-17T18:00:11 *** Branflakes has left #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T20:24:35 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-09-17T20:24:55 * dbs ponders what he can break tonight 2008-09-17T20:26:01 kbeswick_: did you catch berick's comment earlier about "make install" meaning that you have to "make clean" as root (which is unusual)? 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Is Edition the last option in that list? 2008-09-17T23:28:20 I see now.. had to maximize my window 2008-09-17T23:33:45 *** kgs_ has quit IRC 2008-09-17T23:35:54 might need to add an auto checkbox for auto width 2008-09-17T23:38:46 here's something I should know off the top of my head by now, but don't - does opensrf use encrypted xmpp by default? 2008-09-17T23:39:14 dbs: it does not 2008-09-17T23:39:33 there's no ssl support built into the perl/C/python/java libs 2008-09-17T23:40:03 or tls 2008-09-17T23:40:13 I imagine you could use port wrappers 2008-09-17T23:40:14 (ssl is so old school) 2008-09-17T23:40:27 (talk about old school) 2008-09-17T23:42:09 berick: very nice on the column picker! 2008-09-17T23:42:10 of course, most public communications are over https anyway 2008-09-17T23:42:46 * dbs dittos miker_ 2008-09-17T23:43:00 dbs: right... only a concern if you build distributed clusters 2008-09-17T23:43:16 berick: now, just because I'm mean ... can the selected columns be stored in a cookie for persistence? ;) ... actually, even better, as a grid-specific user setting? 2008-09-17T23:43:41 berick: like, say, a few boxes in laurentian and a few in windsor for load balancing? :) 2008-09-17T23:44:41 (I'm also curious about column widths, like for title 2008-09-17T23:44:48 *** grahamf has quit IRC 2008-09-17T23:45:00 dbs: in that case, i would distribute whole bricks, so that only apache is exposed to the interweb, if that fits into what yr thinking 2008-09-17T23:45:10 width and position would be great 2008-09-17T23:45:25 miker_: yeah, need somehting. i'd prefer user setting 2008-09-17T23:45:53 does sort come for free or do you have to plug that in? 2008-09-17T23:46:08 sort comes for free 2008-09-17T23:46:28 (you pay the cost in performance, though) 2008-09-17T23:46:30 how does this app do clustering? what part does the synchronysation, or is that all foisted off on the database? 2008-09-17T23:46:32 oh, I see a column that has it now 2008-09-17T23:48:46 FluffyCloud: several different ways - basic data store is postgresql, so you can use slony or pgpool for that piece 2008-09-17T23:49:13 FluffyCloud: some protocol docs for opensrf http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=osrf-devel:primer&s=opensrf 2008-09-17T23:49:55 thank you berick :) 2008-09-17T23:49:56 FluffyCloud: apropos to your nick, there is a cloud of services that work transactionally amongst themselves (and with the database) to perform any user-level action 2008-09-17T23:49:56 http://open-ils.org/documentation/OpenSRF_Server_Architecture.jpg is particularly good 2008-09-17T23:50:06 heh 2008-09-17T23:50:25 dbs: sadly, my best use of visio to date ;) 2008-09-17T23:50:32 oh 2008-09-17T23:50:34 wait 2008-09-17T23:50:38 that's bericks 2008-09-17T23:50:52 haha - even better :) 2008-09-17T23:51:04 your best use of berick's visio skills to date 2008-09-17T23:51:11 haha 2008-09-17T23:51:44 heh, s/visio/powerpoint/ ... cuz PP is so... powerful 2008-09-17T23:51:47 * dbs looks around for the picture with the fire on it :) 2008-09-17T23:52:10 "Your servers are on fire?!?" 2008-09-17T23:52:15 http://open-ils.org/documentation/System_Architecture.png 2008-09-17T23:52:16 http://open-ils.org/documentation/OpenILS_Structural_Overview.png 2008-09-17T23:52:35 ... the diagram appears to say that the application talks amongst itself with the use of... jabber of all things? really? 2008-09-17T23:52:49 FluffyCloud: really 2008-09-17T23:52:55 well, xmpp 2008-09-17T23:53:05 FluffyCloud: it took google about four years to catch up to opensrf - check out "protocol buffers" 2008-09-17T23:55:08 http://open-ils.org/documentation/OpenILS_Structural_Overview.png is mislabeled ... it's a 30k' overview of the non-transport parts of opensrf 2008-09-17T23:55:34 but it was drawn before opensrf split off (and before evergreen was called evergreen) 2008-09-17T23:56:37 so the opensrf protocol was developed along with evergreen, yes? 2008-09-17T23:56:56 yes 2008-09-17T23:57:03 before, actually 2008-09-17T23:57:35 it's the reason we could write a consortial ILS in ~1.5 years 2008-09-17T23:58:24 it would have all been in tcl/tk if they had let me have my way 2008-09-17T23:58:29 hahaha 2008-09-17T23:58:31 expect 2008-09-17T23:59:11 perl/tk did tempt me for a client.. man that would have been ugly :)