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By default, it's equal to the pickup lib. 2008-10-04T18:16:18 it works it's way through the org tree from there, subject to the selection_depth 2008-10-04T18:16:38 s/it's/its/ 2008-10-04T18:17:26 I'm trying to figure out how to describe it for reports document 2008-10-04T18:17:33 Also, gettign lots of network errors 2008-10-04T18:17:36 just sos ya know 2008-10-04T18:18:00 the atlanta lata has had problems today 2008-10-04T18:18:05 bleh 2008-10-04T18:18:15 so 2008-10-04T18:18:25 if a hold can't be filled at it's pickup lib 2008-10-04T18:18:40 the selection locus will contain the system OU? 2008-10-04T18:19:33 I think focus is the word used in the staff client.. internally, it's selection_ou, and it stays the same through the life of the hold, no matter where the item is that ultimately fills the hold 2008-10-04T18:20:00 and then, if it can't ever be filled within the system, the selection locus will contain the OU id for the consortium? 2008-10-04T18:20:02 Oh, ok 2008-10-04T18:20:52 everytime the targeter is trying to find an eligible item to "target", it's going to start over at the selection_ou (in PINES, the pickup lib) 2008-10-04T18:21:52 Gotcha 2008-10-04T18:21:55 if there are no eligible items available at the selection_ou, it traverses the org tree.. going up to the system (which in PINES doesn't have holdings), and then back down to the sibling orgs 2008-10-04T18:22:18 is there any PINESy situation where the selection locus won't be the same as the pickup lib? 2008-10-04T18:23:06 only if PINES stops hiding the Edit Selection Focus action from within the staff client 2008-10-04T18:23:08 said another way, selection_ou says "start looking at org unit X" and selection_depth says "stop looking once you go this far up the tree" 2008-10-04T18:23:28 right, right 2008-10-04T18:23:41 so, the selection_depth, to say "look everywhere, but starting at X" will be 0 2008-10-04T18:23:53 so say "only ever look at X" it'll be 2 (for PINES) 2008-10-04T18:24:33 Got it, though I won't go into detail for the document... I just want to make sure I'm not being in accurate when I say that for reports purposes Selection Locus should be ignored. 2008-10-04T18:24:41 (at least for PINES) 2008-10-04T18:25:05 is Selection Locus wording used in the reporting system? 2008-10-04T18:25:09 Yes 2008-10-04T18:25:18 I'm writing about Hold Request right now 2008-10-04T18:25:33 that's the label in the IDL right now... 2008-10-04T18:25:47 the meaning works 2008-10-04T18:25:50 miker_: new pines dump? 2008-10-04T18:25:50 I just never heard it before 2008-10-04T18:25:52 we should think of a good way to make those change whenever the IDL changes 2008-10-04T18:26:09 I'm really only talking about fields/links that are potentially confusing; most are easy to figure out, so I'm not going to waste time/money explaining them. 2008-10-04T18:27:05 sboyette: eh? 2008-10-04T18:29:18 Thanks, guys 2008-10-04T18:29:23 * error_23 gets back to wrok 2008-10-04T18:29:33 BACK TO /WROK/! 2008-10-04T18:31:09 *** phase_bb2 has quit IRC 2008-10-04T18:31:35 error_23: you WROK! 2008-10-04T18:31:46 "Selection Locus" sounds all science-fictiony 2008-10-04T18:32:22 Better than Selection Locutis though. 2008-10-04T18:39:26 =) 2008-10-04T18:40:56 A quick google search for the word "Locutis" only returns a lot of information about someone who uses that as his/her handle.... 2008-10-04T18:41:34 Following up with googles' suggested spelling, I now see that you made a Star Trek reference 2008-10-04T18:42:00 One day, I'll grow up to be a real nerd. 2008-10-04T18:45:26 heh 2008-10-04T18:46:00 sounds like I need to grow up too 2008-10-04T18:48:04 =) 2008-10-04T18:59:33 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-10-04T19:00:53 So, can anyone here tell me about the "Is Super User" field under the ILS User source? 2008-10-04T19:02:15 I'm assuming that only sysadmins are super users 2008-10-04T19:02:20 error_23: presumably checking to see if the superuser flag (column in actor.usr) 2008-10-04T19:02:27 is set 2008-10-04T19:02:32 right, right 2008-10-04T19:02:39 wondering what that flag does/means 2008-10-04T19:02:44 is it like having the Everthing perm? 2008-10-04T19:02:51 Does it ever actually matter? 2008-10-04T19:02:54 supposed to be, as I understand it 2008-10-04T19:03:00 ok 2008-10-04T19:03:03 thansk, don! 2008-10-04T19:03:10 any time murph! 2008-10-04T19:04:01 In performing a function that requires permissions, it should check to see if the running user has that permission, is a member of a group that has that permission, or is a super user... quite sure that's the case, anyway 2008-10-04T19:12:22 So, another just general thought about template documenation 2008-10-04T19:13:04 Right now, I'm writing about each Core Source in it's own section, and discussing the fields/links available from that source in the same section 2008-10-04T19:13:09 I know KGS wants a dictionary 2008-10-04T19:14:25 Should I /also/ make the information about fields/sources available in an alphabetized dictionary? It won't contain as much contextual info, but might be a quicker reference... I could try to link the dictionary entries with the sections, but that would take a thousand hours. 2008-10-04T19:16:10 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2008-10-04T19:16:25 *** error_23 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-10-04T19:53:45 error_23: btw - thanks for those permission descriptions; they've all been added to the code, so we should probably delete that wiki page 2008-10-04T19:55:40 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-10-04T19:57:20 hmm 2008-10-04T19:57:25 i'll put them in the local admin guid 2008-10-04T19:57:26 so 2008-10-04T19:57:29 no one delete that page yet 2008-10-04T20:33:23 oh dag, how did i not know that open office saves things in docbooks format easily 2008-10-04T20:33:25 heck yeah! 2008-10-04T20:41:10 error_23: if you really wanted to make my day, you could add elements under every field in the IDL ;) 2008-10-04T20:41:56 That's a pretty steep price for making someone's day. 2008-10-04T20:42:15 :) 2008-10-04T20:42:38 well, the benefit of that is that we could generate in-app documentation anywhere the field is used 2008-10-04T20:42:54 just look it up by class/field in the idl right from the object 2008-10-04T20:43:12 and even tell show what it points to and what points to it 2008-10-04T20:43:22 Yeah, but kgs and i estimated how long that would take 2008-10-04T20:43:24 (by documenting the elements 2008-10-04T20:43:43 I could be convinced to add /some/ descriptions 2008-10-04T20:43:55 some is better than none 2008-10-04T20:44:20 and in-app is better than a OOo doc that the code will drift away from ;) 2008-10-04T20:46:45 but ... an OOo doc is much better than ... today 2008-10-04T20:46:51 and so 2008-10-04T20:46:55 * miker_ hugs error_23 2008-10-04T20:50:20 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-10-04T20:54:36 =) 2008-10-04T20:54:49 hey, kgs - i'm a-typin away! 2008-10-04T20:55:15 kgs: and I'm whining about not getting a machine-useable data dictionary ... 2008-10-04T20:55:43 Well, you haven't seen my dictionary yet; you may not want to sully the codebase with it! 2008-10-04T20:55:57 error_23: good job! 2008-10-04T20:56:14 miker_: good things come to those who wait 2008-10-04T20:56:35 error_23: I'm sure it'll be great, but I'd take "ipsom lorum ..." in each field at this point 2008-10-04T20:56:42 hehe 2008-10-04T20:57:04 well, ew can talk about that in the future 2008-10-04T20:57:14 i gotta sign off for a bit and change locations; i'll to you guys in a few 2008-10-04T20:57:26 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2008-10-04T20:57:29 yeah I'm collapsing for the night... later 2008-10-04T20:57:31 kgs: well, my argument is that if it were done in the xml today we could generate /both/ docbook/OOo/DOC AND in-app help with one round of data entry ... 2008-10-04T20:57:38 oh 2008-10-04T20:57:42 yeah I understand that miker_ 2008-10-04T20:58:13 I'm fortunate to find people who can write clearly and are willing to work on short deadline 2008-10-04T20:59:05 well, as I said to murph, in-app is better than a OOo doc that the code will drift away from, but ... an OOo doc is much better than ... today 2008-10-04T20:59:06 ;) 2008-10-04T20:59:09 and thus 2008-10-04T20:59:16 * miker_ hugs kgs too 2008-10-04T20:59:23 :-) 2008-10-04T20:59:48 the problem is the deadline for this project exceeds my ability to learn what I need to and get the tools assembled that would be ideal... 2008-10-04T21:00:11 what is OOo? 2008-10-04T21:01:08 open office format? (guessing from google) 2008-10-04T21:01:41 OpenOffice.org 2008-10-04T21:02:00 ah 2008-10-04T21:02:00 and I totally understand on the deadlines ;) 2008-10-04T21:02:11 well she's *drafting* in Word (or whatever) 2008-10-04T21:02:18 but it's going into Dokuwiki 2008-10-04T21:02:55 Dokuwiki is such a poor writing environment 2008-10-04T21:03:08 kgs: on a lighter note, you had tonnes of fun in the frozen north, I hope? 2008-10-04T21:03:22 miker_ it was wonderful! Evergreen is loved! 2008-10-04T21:03:37 (for anything that needs to start out big, yeah ... dokuwiki is uncoool) 2008-10-04T21:03:41 I have notes... many of them 2008-10-04T21:04:11 from the looks of #access2008 it was aprox. the evergreen and libx conference 2008-10-04T21:04:22 yeah they said that in the talks :) 2008-10-04T21:04:28 nice 2008-10-04T21:04:45 yup, plus SOPAC, Zotero, Vufinder... 2008-10-04T21:04:47 it felt a little like that last year too with BC just starting up 2008-10-04T21:04:57 this is the year that people are playing 2008-10-04T21:05:20 I also wrote Alexander and said gee it's great you did that, but had you thought about doing it within our framework, etc? 2008-10-04T21:06:09 oh, cool 2008-10-04T21:06:15 grant was happy I asked that 2008-10-04T21:06:39 I think Grant "gets" the issue there 2008-10-04T21:06:44 every time I sat down to do that this week I've been pulled of for migration stuff .. I really appreciate you grabbing that! 2008-10-04T21:06:49 Alexander replied "Truth be told I don't know enough about that particular bit of Evergreen to use it easily right now" 2008-10-04T21:06:55 you migrate. I'll schmooze. ;) 2008-10-04T21:07:04 grant is teh awesome 2008-10-04T21:07:05 we need to talk to Andrew Nagy about Vufind 2008-10-04T21:07:12 grant is adorable! 2008-10-04T21:09:08 I realize UPEI is a loose-cannon environment... maybe there is strategery for bringing them a little more into the fold. I'll ponder. 2008-10-04T21:09:19 :) 2008-10-04T21:09:59 have a good 'un 2008-10-04T21:10:06 you too 2008-10-04T21:11:15 oh, here's my response: "Alexander, that would be really, really wonderful... right now it's a great "localization" example, but you'd be doing the Evergreen community a huge service to tie in the GBS functionality with the existing added-content structure in Evergreen. 2008-10-04T21:11:17 Is there anything we can do to help make that happen? 2008-10-04T21:11:31 *** kgs is now known as kgs_away 2008-10-04T21:12:16 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-10-04T21:13:46 ooh. dojo 1.2.0 is out 2008-10-04T21:13:52 and I have a plane to catch 2008-10-04T21:13:54 *** dbs has quit IRC 2008-10-04T21:18:07 *** error_23 has joined #openils-evergreen 2008-10-04T21:21:00 I return! 2008-10-04T21:24:32 shhhh! 2008-10-04T22:49:36 *** wlayton has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2008-10-04T23:25:11 *** error_23 has quit IRC 2008-10-04T23:46:16 *** wlayton has quit IRC