2009-02-06T00:00:14 ort_9217: you DO want something in /etc/ld.so.conf.d that references /openils/lib 2009-02-06T00:01:42 ok, so as long as at least one file exists in the directorty /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ that references /openils/lib , i'm fine 2009-02-06T00:01:56 and the same goes for /usr/local/lib 2009-02-06T00:02:11 as well as /usr/local/lib/dbd 2009-02-06T00:02:55 yep! 2009-02-06T00:03:11 ok 2009-02-06T00:03:47 do you know if the osrf wiki page has been updated in the last week? 2009-02-06T00:04:26 i followed the directions there, but don't seem to have created an /etc/ld.so.conf.d/osrf.conf file 2009-02-06T00:05:06 it has recently been updated in that regard, yes. 2009-02-06T00:06:48 loglevel 3 is recommended in .srfsh.xml now 2009-02-06T00:06:52 it was 5 last week 2009-02-06T00:07:05 and the /etc/ld.so.conf.d/osrf.conf bit 2009-02-06T00:07:25 alright, cool 2009-02-06T00:09:48 * ort_9217 is abolutely /loving/ screen 2009-02-06T00:09:52 * jeff grins 2009-02-06T00:09:57 thanks soo much for enlightening me 2009-02-06T00:10:50 you were talking about nesting sessions earlier, how does that work exactly? I'm afraid to even try 2009-02-06T00:11:09 does C-s control the inner session or the outer one? 2009-02-06T00:11:43 *** randym has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T00:11:51 i meant C-a 2009-02-06T00:12:27 ort_9217: yeah, instead of C-a you do C-a a 2009-02-06T00:12:36 oh 2009-02-06T00:12:39 to send C-a to the "inner" screen 2009-02-06T00:13:08 haha 2009-02-06T00:13:23 * ort_9217 refreshes xkcd.com once again 2009-02-06T00:14:57 * ort_9217 laughs really hard 2009-02-06T00:16:20 ha 2009-02-06T00:16:33 "sharing root pws" 2009-02-06T00:17:18 so - next thing 2009-02-06T00:17:34 * ort_9217 gets distracted way too easily :) 2009-02-06T00:18:47 i had to apt-get install postgresql-8.2 (which isn't in the instructions) before step 2.III.b would work 2009-02-06T00:19:36 i think that happened automagically somehow when i followed the 1.4.0.0-rc2 install instructions 2009-02-06T00:19:57 so maybe just have a step near the beginning saying to install necessary packages 2009-02-06T00:20:25 yep. i made a note of that. there's a little text recently added, but it might be useful to have specific commands too: 2009-02-06T00:20:37 this is new: ``Note: As the PostgreSQL server is usually a standalone server in multi-server production systems, the prerequisite installer Makefile does not install the PostgreSQL server by default. You must install the PostgreSQL server yourself; either on the same system as Evergreen itself, or on another system on the network.'' 2009-02-06T00:21:51 oh, i'm sorry, 2009-02-06T00:22:16 i have a print out from 2/4 that i'm working with 2009-02-06T00:22:21 its a bit out of date i guess 2009-02-06T00:22:36 no, no... there's still some work to be done on that part, i think. 2009-02-06T00:22:43 yeah, i agree 2009-02-06T00:23:17 anyway, i'm aware that you're passing on feedback from an earlier revision. not a problem. :) 2009-02-06T00:23:28 alright, cool 2009-02-06T00:23:35 so maybe have something like: 2009-02-06T00:25:00 "Install PostgreSQL and some helper packages: 2009-02-06T00:25:33 yep. i think i even have a list. :) 2009-02-06T00:25:42 sudo apt-get install postgresql-8.2 postgresql-contrib-8.2 postgresql-plperl-8.2 2009-02-06T00:25:43 i'll try to make time to test and update the wiki 2009-02-06T00:25:49 perfect! 2009-02-06T00:26:07 i'm going to take off soon... what else do you have? :) 2009-02-06T00:26:11 or to be consistent - 2009-02-06T00:26:27 As the *root* user, ....blah blah blah 2009-02-06T00:27:39 uhhh 2009-02-06T00:27:51 i ran the "long" command from step 4 2009-02-06T00:28:51 and it came up with these errors: 2009-02-06T00:29:22 ort_9217 pasted "$(<"long" command>J)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/74962 2009-02-06T00:29:31 is that a problem? 2009-02-06T00:30:10 i've noticed similar, and haven't asked yet. it might be normal. i'll leave someone else to confirm that. 2009-02-06T00:30:27 ok 2009-02-06T00:30:39 i'm actually working from a school computer lab 2009-02-06T00:30:43 and a class just came in 2009-02-06T00:30:52 full of noisy little kids 2009-02-06T00:30:53 it looks like most of the errors about "blah doesn't exist" are generated by the file that creates "blah" 2009-02-06T00:31:06 so i can't think very well 2009-02-06T00:31:10 * ort_9217 cranks up his headphones 2009-02-06T00:31:14 but i might be misunderstanding that bit 2009-02-06T00:31:24 sorry 2009-02-06T00:31:26 alright 2009-02-06T00:31:34 cool 2009-02-06T00:32:05 i don't think i have anything more regarding the wiki 2009-02-06T00:32:14 i guess it just seemed like alot 2009-02-06T00:32:36 because i had to stop after every single failed command 2009-02-06T00:32:39 and google around 2009-02-06T00:32:43 and figure out the packages 2009-02-06T00:32:51 sure! 2009-02-06T00:32:52 * jeff nods 2009-02-06T00:33:20 i might come up with more, since i'm only on step 7 2009-02-06T00:34:12 i do have one question though 2009-02-06T00:34:25 that i haven't encountered yet, but know i will 2009-02-06T00:34:30 cool. well, keep the feedback coming. i'll do my best to improve the page in question when i have some time. :) 2009-02-06T00:34:36 alright 2009-02-06T00:34:59 and especially with your time difference, consider posting to one of the mailing lists if you run into more problems if nobody's around on irc. 2009-02-06T00:35:13 ok 2009-02-06T00:35:17 what's your one question that you haven't encountered yet? :) 2009-02-06T00:35:29 i've been impressed by the # of people on irc so far 2009-02-06T00:35:53 so when i (unsuccessfully) installed 1.4-rc2, i noticed that the opac kind of hijacks apache 2009-02-06T00:36:30 like if you type in to a browser on the network http:/// , it goes directly to the opac 2009-02-06T00:36:41 * jeff nods 2009-02-06T00:37:58 so my question is this: would it be possible to set it up so that http:///EG_OPAC or something points to the opac, and http:/// would still point to /var/www/ ? 2009-02-06T00:38:23 probably much much less pain to have it be two different hostnames 2009-02-06T00:38:55 because the opac isn't the only thing that uses apache on the server 2009-02-06T00:39:20 and most things expect all of the paths to be a certain way. 2009-02-06T00:40:12 sorry, i no /nothing/ about apache config. 2009-02-06T00:40:22 and just server stuff in general 2009-02-06T00:40:24 but you can probably do two hostnames and set them up as virtual hosts in apache. it'll require some apache config know-how. 2009-02-06T00:40:42 this's been a fun project for me because i've learned so much from it :) 2009-02-06T00:40:59 good! :) 2009-02-06T00:41:32 is this the kinda thing that'll have lots of hits on the google? 2009-02-06T00:42:16 like if i just search for "configure mulitple hostnames apache" 2009-02-06T00:42:45 tbh, i wasn't even aware that a machine could /have/ mutliple hostnames 2009-02-06T00:42:46 http://httpd.apache.org has documentation 2009-02-06T00:42:56 alright, cool 2009-02-06T00:43:48 would it be easier to have it the other way around? 2009-02-06T00:44:26 like http:/// --> opac , http:///stuff --> /var/www/ 2009-02-06T00:44:36 sure! 2009-02-06T00:45:01 there might be other concerns there, but yes, much easier to put "something else" under /blah than to try to move evergreen to /somewhere_else 2009-02-06T00:45:24 what kind of other concerns? 2009-02-06T00:45:42 the schema does not exist errors are harmless.. not sure about the aggregate functions (never saw that before) 2009-02-06T00:47:17 ort_9217: mostly that apache settings that evergreen requires might conflict with something else if you were putting it under the same instance of apache or the same "virtual" in apache. 2009-02-06T00:48:34 ort_9217: you were pretty accurate in your observation that evergreen "kind of hijacks" apache. evergreen isn't designed to share a web server with other things. you can probably get it to work, due to the way that apache handles that kind of thing. it might be a challenge, though. 2009-02-06T00:49:51 * ort_9217 feels like thats a little bit selfish of evergreen 2009-02-06T00:50:14 * ort_9217 cringes at the kids yelling and singing 2009-02-06T00:51:50 fwiw, the first Evergreen implementation used (and uses) a lot of apache servers with load balancing, etc. Might not be fun to "share" in that sort of environment (to scale arbitrary apps the same way) 2009-02-06T00:52:23 ugh 2009-02-06T00:52:25 now that we have folks trying to scale in the other direction, it's worth paying attention to such things, I think 2009-02-06T00:53:12 * ort_9217 :q!'s /etc/apache2/sites-available/eg.conf for the fifth time after losing track of where he was and what mistakes he's made... AGAIN 2009-02-06T00:53:54 it looks like the aggregate function errors are harmless too 2009-02-06T00:58:30 *** randym has left #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T01:02:06 * ort_9217 thinks he may be dyslexic 2009-02-06T01:06:11 oh - more wiki corrections 2009-02-06T01:06:14 1, really 2009-02-06T01:06:57 still there, jeff? 2009-02-06T01:07:09 either way, 2009-02-06T01:10:02 @later tell jeff hey, its ort_9217 again with another wiki correction. step 9.II seems to be unnecessary. i think it can be omitted. it says to change MaxKeepAliveRequests in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf to 100, but that's already the default on my untouched hardy system 2009-02-06T01:10:02 ort_9217: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-06T02:27:03 @later tell jeff arrghhhhhh... soooooo frustrating... finished setup, but still not working... i'm giving up for now, try again on monday, i guess. talk to you more then 2009-02-06T02:27:03 ort_9217: The operation succeeded. 2009-02-06T03:18:24 *** ort_9217 has quit IRC 2009-02-06T03:31:16 *** ort_9217 has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T03:47:45 *** ort_9217 has quit IRC 2009-02-06T07:43:43 *** eby_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T08:06:58 *** kgs has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T08:16:01 *** EGUEST523 has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T08:16:32 Greetings, all. 2009-02-06T08:17:42 *** EGUEST523 has quit IRC 2009-02-06T08:45:06 good morning! 2009-02-06T09:05:20 *** agJohn has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T09:12:59 *** _dkyle_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T09:53:54 *** phase_bb has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T10:11:04 *** agJohn has quit IRC 2009-02-06T10:55:09 *** eby_ has quit IRC 2009-02-06T11:23:58 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T11:31:07 I'm liking the grey, non-interactive display of the selection list items ;) 2009-02-06T11:33:03 Had a massive collection development meeting today. Of note: people would like to be able to track item format (the typical: book, periodical, DVD, tree) and language of the material (English, Spanish, French) at a per-lineitem level 2009-02-06T11:38:42 miker_: that id pinning is fabulous, that's one thing that's been whining in the back of my head for a while 2009-02-06T11:44:19 dbs: you mean the "restrict_primary" protection of my (arg) magic numbers? :) 2009-02-06T11:46:41 dbs: re col-dev, at the bib level, yes? that /should/ be a matter of adding a couple line_item_attr_def rows. there is talk of unifying with vandelay (which I'm a little resistant to -- conceptual impedence mismatch, probably), which would certainly allow that 2009-02-06T11:48:52 right right! dang, my mind overflows 2009-02-06T11:48:55 miker_++ 2009-02-06T12:17:46 *** natschil has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T12:40:59 gah, we need to get 1.4.0.2 out there :( 2009-02-06T12:41:05 and I need to eat 2009-02-06T13:08:51 dbs: code-only updates, IIRC, yes? 2009-02-06T13:27:53 miker_: right, no new translations (if that's what you mean) 2009-02-06T13:32:14 and no db updates (that I'm aware of) 2009-02-06T13:32:32 lemme do a diff here... 2009-02-06T13:32:45 the upgrade scripts were updated 2009-02-06T13:34:32 yeah, config.upgrade.log :) 2009-02-06T13:34:50 oh, and more 2009-02-06T13:34:58 heh, no ... I meant the 1.2.x upgrade scripts 2009-02-06T13:35:10 but config.upgrade_log should be touched too 2009-02-06T13:35:12 righto 2009-02-06T13:35:24 locale, locale, locale... view reports fix... 2009-02-06T13:35:58 opensrf_core.xml.example services and sane logging 2009-02-06T13:36:04 c'est tout 2009-02-06T13:36:08 k 2009-02-06T13:36:16 until the next thing we find :( 2009-02-06T13:36:26 dbs-- # pessimist 2009-02-06T13:36:30 yeah ... unless someone raises their hand, I can wrap it up 2009-02-06T13:36:40 no, at least this way stuff is found! 2009-02-06T13:36:41 and osrf 1.0.4 has to go with it too 2009-02-06T13:36:42 rc-- 2009-02-06T13:38:46 hrm, might be one tweak to srfsh.xml.example to apply, lemme see 2009-02-06T13:45:52 okay, applied that and locale fix from trunk 2009-02-06T13:53:56 do we need to set a bogus work_ou for admin user in the seed data? 2009-02-06T13:54:09 I've been doing that on trunk 2009-02-06T13:54:50 hrm... I don't thinks so. all the perm SPs should return true for superuser=t and users that have the EVERYTHING perm 2009-02-06T13:55:24 though admin can't set user-specific perms without having the real perms 2009-02-06T13:55:39 (I'm OK with that, really) 2009-02-06T13:56:48 *** eby_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T13:57:28 k - I'll delete the entry and see if I can recreate what I was running into 2009-02-06T13:57:53 eby_: you'll be happy to know that a new release is probably imminent :) 2009-02-06T13:58:19 1.4.0.2? 2009-02-06T13:58:39 although there has been no upgrade in the quality of the primary person responsible for the install docs 2009-02-06T13:59:01 well maybe this time i'll get the config to work 2009-02-06T13:59:28 open-ils.auth that is 2009-02-06T14:00:15 * berick updates dbs-firmware 2009-02-06T14:00:36 eby_: probably because you're missing the permacrud service 2009-02-06T14:01:16 i take it that was a common issue 2009-02-06T14:01:51 yeah, we had fixed it in SVN a week ago but hadn't made its way into a release 2009-02-06T14:03:00 well luckily i decided to drink last night instead of mess with the EG install 2009-02-06T14:03:19 eby_++ 2009-02-06T14:04:24 so nice to have software i can just install and mess around with rather than a black box 2009-02-06T14:05:00 *** natschil has quit IRC 2009-02-06T14:05:33 eby_: and the license doesn't prohibit drinking in its vicinity 2009-02-06T14:07:13 there's actually an Evergreen drinking game. 2009-02-06T14:10:06 here's something from left field.. need a way (ideally) to generate locally defined context-help on a per table+column level for any random table. 2009-02-06T14:10:12 primarily for staff interface 2009-02-06T14:10:13 s 2009-02-06T14:10:22 but i could see it being useful in patron contexts as well 2009-02-06T14:11:02 e.g. actor.usr.ident_type .. there's an entry in a table somewhere that staff can edit that explains the purpose of that field. this text shows up in the patron edit interface as context help 2009-02-06T14:11:16 * berick lobs 2009-02-06T14:12:31 could be similar to the i18n infrastructure 2009-02-06T14:19:50 yeah, I imagine it would have to be 2009-02-06T14:25:25 *** kgs has quit IRC 2009-02-06T14:28:46 how about a table like ( id serial primary key, classname text, fieldname text, description text). classname is the class id from the IDL. then use permacrud to get/set. that would allow leveraging i18n for translations, too 2009-02-06T14:28:53 i know the contracts are still being signed but does anyone know the general price the hotel will be in 2009-02-06T14:29:18 (which is, obviously, much like the i18n stuff) 2009-02-06T14:30:25 miker_: i think that would do nicely 2009-02-06T15:28:11 *** LB has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T15:29:30 I'm a newbie who just got 1.4.0.1 up and running. When I click on Admin->Server Settings from the client I get an Internal Error... any idea where to start troubleshooting? 2009-02-06T15:32:59 *** LB has quit IRC 2009-02-06T15:33:21 *** lb123 has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T15:35:10 *** lb5678235 has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-02-06T15:35:27 I'm a newbie who just got 1.4.0.1 up and running. When I click on Admin->Server Settings from the client I get an Internal Error... any idea where to start troubleshooting? 2009-02-06T15:36:28 lb5678235: there's probably something in /var/log/apache2/error.log 2009-02-06T15:36:34 an error, i mean 2009-02-06T15:36:52 i will check that out, thanks 2009-02-06T15:38:00 *** eby- has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-02-06T15:41:00 *** eby_ has quit IRC 2009-02-06T15:42:42 I see Opensrf:Ex:Jabberdisconnected Jabber Exception This Jabber client in no longer connected to the server ... 2009-02-06T15:50:47 lb5678235: there are probably more services that need to be listed in opensrf_core.xml "public" section 2009-02-06T15:52:52 lb5678235: see http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS/changeset/11994 2009-02-06T15:56:01 * asmodai pats dbs 2009-02-06T15:56:15 hey, asmodai! 2009-02-06T15:56:19 How's life? 2009-02-06T15:56:27 BUSY! 2009-02-06T15:56:38 That's good, saves us from mischief. 2009-02-06T15:57:03 maybe you can give me a link or a ten-second howto on "how to use babel to support i18n in genshi templates"! 2009-02-06T15:58:10 *thinks* 2009-02-06T15:59:00 there's a babel.cfg at http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/browser/servres but I disbelieve that it will actually work with stuff like http://svn.open-ils.org/trac/ILS-Contrib/browser/servres/trunk/conifer/templates/search_results.xhtml ("You searched for:") 2009-02-06T15:59:31 http://genshi.edgewall.org/wiki/GenshiRecipes/Localization 2009-02-06T15:59:54 But that's a bit overkill. 2009-02-06T16:00:02 If you're ok with _() stuff in the templates 2009-02-06T16:00:09 it can be vastly simpler 2009-02-06T16:01:13 ah, so http://genshi.edgewall.org/wiki/Documentation/i18n.html 2009-02-06T16:01:25 Ah yes 2009-02-06T16:01:28 cool. asmodai++ 2009-02-06T16:01:29 was looking for that one 2009-02-06T16:01:57 Newer versions of Babel (not sure if released yet) also support JavaScript extraction and such 2009-02-06T16:02:00 genshi.filters.Translator seems to be the key for avoiding explicit gettext calls 2009-02-06T16:02:03 ok 2009-02-06T16:02:13 I'm slowly catching up again 2009-02-06T16:02:21 :) 2009-02-06T16:04:27 Hope that helps a bit 2009-02-06T16:10:54 definitely. I've not been connected with the development much and that's quite reassuring. 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