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I'm having problems connecting the staff client to the demo server at demo.gapines.org using the selfcheck login. I can connect successfully with other usernames. Is there anything weird with the selfcheck login? (Apologies in advance if I'm screwing up etiquette-wise - this is my first venture into the Evergreen IRC community.) 2009-06-03T12:52:32 I imagine the selfcheck login doesn't have permissions appropriate for staff client login 2009-06-03T12:53:09 It's listed as one of the test logins at http://www.open-ils.org/downloads.php 2009-06-03T12:53:23 hrmm 2009-06-03T12:53:38 but patron doesn't work either 2009-06-03T12:54:03 hmm 2009-06-03T12:54:35 I wouldn't expect a patron to be able to log into the staff client either.. those usernames may have been meant for testing self-check and the opac 2009-06-03T12:55:55 https://demo.gapines.org/opac/extras/selfcheck/selfcheck.xml 2009-06-03T12:56:26 well, that didn't work (with that username) 2009-06-03T12:56:52 seems broken on demo even with a good username 2009-06-03T12:56:54 maybe one of the fuller gapines usernames for selfcheck... 2009-06-03T12:57:21 mgrl-rc-demo-selfcheck 2009-06-03T12:57:33 nope 2009-06-03T12:58:58 I'm Very Interested in seeing an operational Evergreen selfcheck station. Any idea who would lend me a login to give theirs a spin? 2009-06-03T12:59:31 hrmm, I doubt any production site would. I'll poke folks about the various public demo and dev servers 2009-06-03T12:59:40 Thanks! 2009-06-03T13:02:45 phasefx: https://demo.gapines.org/opac/en-US/extras/selfcheck/selfcheck.xml 2009-06-03T13:03:05 note, you'll get 4 popups in firefox to enable printing controls. just Accept 'em 2009-06-03T13:04:05 oh ho, I forgot the locale 2009-06-03T13:04:17 berick++ 2009-06-03T13:04:30 tnlibrarian: you see that URL berick pasted? 2009-06-03T13:05:54 holy crow, watching IE7 work with EG for an hour is painful... must be some crazy memory leak or something that makes IE get progressively slower over time 2009-06-03T13:06:24 kgs: back from a training session, how goes it 2009-06-03T13:06:39 dbs on phone... back l8r :) 2009-06-03T13:06:43 we need to get 1.4 on demo at some point 2009-06-03T13:06:49 kgs: cool, I have to get food anyhoo 2009-06-03T13:07:34 I'm going to recreate all the accounts mentioned on the download page.. they appear to have been wiped 2009-06-03T13:07:39 dbs: fyi (i'll look later if you don't). 2009-06-03T13:07:41 ./autogen.sh -u -c ../conf/opensrf_core.xml 2009-06-03T13:07:41 ERROR: could not find configuration file '-c' 2009-06-03T13:07:56 hrmm, not wiped 2009-06-03T13:08:35 berick: noooo 2009-06-03T13:08:54 Okay, I'll look before lunch. but wth? 2009-06-03T13:09:18 dbs: not sure. wonder if it's the shift $((OPTIND - 1)) 2009-06-03T13:09:27 shouldn't be 2009-06-03T13:10:56 * dbs fires up the vboxinator 2009-06-03T13:12:20 oh wait, you mean move it outside the while loop 2009-06-03T13:12:39 yeah, that's the ticket i bet 2009-06-03T13:14:27 confirmed, I'll push the fix 2009-06-03T13:16:44 danke 2009-06-03T13:17:23 thanks, dbs 2009-06-03T13:20:39 berick, phasefx: thanks for the en-US link - but I'm unsure how to log in...or is the conversation y'all have been having that the users need to be restored after lunch? 2009-06-03T13:21:30 tnlibrarian: the admin password works, not that you would want to use that in real life 2009-06-03T13:22:29 tnlibrarian: mgrl-rc-demo-selfcheck / demo123 should, in theory, work as well 2009-06-03T13:22:42 I'm going to have to dig into the database for those users.. EG 1.2 doesn't have patron retrieval by username, just barcode (1.4 does) 2009-06-03T13:23:16 Ah! So I'm missing barcodes, right? 2009-06-03T13:23:54 well, you can log into the staff client with either a library card barcode or an account username.. but I'm logged in now via admin, and I can't retrieve those accounts to see why they're not working 2009-06-03T13:24:08 wait, substitute oapc with staff client 2009-06-03T13:24:17 opac. staff client uses just username, I think, for login 2009-06-03T13:24:25 opac uses either 2009-06-03T13:25:25 but I'm also main-tracked by my day job, and my wife wanting me to take a lunch break.. so an hour or two before I can fix those demo accounts 2009-06-03T13:25:38 unless someone else wants to do it :) :) 2009-06-03T13:28:33 * dbs has no powers over demo.gapines.org that he is aware of 2009-06-03T13:28:42 and needs food 2009-06-03T13:29:15 and either cataloguers that can write strict MFHD, or a less-strict MFHD parser :) 2009-06-03T13:38:12 *** brendan_ga has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T13:48:37 *** eby has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T14:15:20 *** atheos has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T14:27:50 dbs ping 2009-06-03T14:28:00 tnlibrarian you still there? 2009-06-03T14:28:34 hiya kgs 2009-06-03T14:29:07 dbs hey. in a momemnt I'll remember what I wanted to ask you. 2009-06-03T14:29:09 ah ok!! 2009-06-03T14:29:30 kgs: yep 2009-06-03T14:29:32 do you have a contact/volunteer/name for the documentation project? 2009-06-03T14:30:15 kgs: not any more; so far as I know, Conifer isn't planning on investing any more resources on the docs side. you might want to check with john fink though to see about mcmaster 2009-06-03T14:30:17 hi tnlibrarian! I'm sorry for the confusion about the accounts -- we're trying to keep the download page a little cleaner these days and we thought those names would make it clear what they could be used for. 2009-06-03T14:30:51 dbs ok, that will work -- I'll check w/John 2009-06-03T14:31:42 kgs: I'd suggest altering the preceding line "Use the following list of test accounts when you are pointing the staff client against the demo server." 2009-06-03T14:32:02 tnlibrarian thanks, will see what we can do 2009-06-03T14:32:27 dbs as the Father of the Docs Project I didn't want you to feel left out of the "fun" (huge air quotes) 2009-06-03T14:33:22 tnlibrarian I see the problem! 2009-06-03T14:33:34 maybe... the following test accounts work with the demo server. 2009-06-03T14:33:47 kgs: I wish I had time for it! maybe later I can do some doc format conversion, etc 2009-06-03T14:34:15 kgs: consider me a stereotypical deadbeat dad; plant a seed and walk away 2009-06-03T14:34:16 dbs we may tap you for very high-level consultation from time to time ;) 2009-06-03T14:34:30 "do I look fat in this DocBook tag?" 2009-06-03T14:35:01 dbs someone's gotta plant that seed..! 2009-06-03T14:37:26 kgs: my library system relies heavily on self-check stations. We've heard that Evergreen's selfcheck ain't sufficient for what we do, but I'm not sure where that idea comes from. I just need to see the self-check in action. 2009-06-03T14:38:16 tnlibrarian what self-check transactions do you support at present? 2009-06-03T14:40:13 patrons can check items out and review their accounts. 2009-06-03T14:40:25 kgs: does that answer your question? 2009-06-03T14:40:55 tnlibrarian yeah pretty much. what system? 2009-06-03T14:41:03 III Millennium 2009-06-03T14:41:13 i mean the self-check 2009-06-03T14:41:23 do you need a selfcheck that duplicates behavior in the opac? 2009-06-03T14:42:00 you can always send them to another computer for reviewing their account 2009-06-03T14:42:23 tnlibrarian: are you looking for the simple web-based self-check, or the SIP2-based self check for dedicated 3M-type self-check machines? 2009-06-03T14:45:15 our setup currently uses dedicated desktop machines with barcode scanners (and no mice/keyboards) running the III Express Lane software 2009-06-03T14:46:25 guessing a simple web based self check or XUL based would work 2009-06-03T14:46:33 we have similar setup except on thin clients 2009-06-03T14:46:43 i haven't looked at how far the self check EG is 2009-06-03T14:47:27 eby: I guessed the same, but I need to see it - and be able to show my boss. 2009-06-03T14:52:53 everybody: thanks! I think I'm still waiting on a login that would be effective at https://demo.gapines.org/opac/en-US/extras/selfcheck/selfcheck.xml . In the meantime: food. 2009-06-03T14:53:00 tnlibrarian is this what you're using? http://www.iii.com/products/express_lane.shtml 2009-06-03T14:55:40 kgs: its a fairly simple product. giant field that the card number gets read into, then a screen that allows you to scan items to checkout and print receipt. a couple of buttons that let you see your current checkouts and holds 2009-06-03T14:55:56 you can't actually do much with the account info though, it is read only at least on the versions we use 2009-06-03T14:56:16 eby sounds very close to EG self-check ... with the exception of account info 2009-06-03T14:56:53 I do wonder if this should enable a self-check login of some kind https://demo.gapines.org/opac/en-US/extras/selfcheck/selfcheck.xml 2009-06-03T14:56:59 kgs: Yes; we do not make use of the fine payment piece of Express Lane. 2009-06-03T14:57:31 well EG selfcheck is probably priced better (FOSS joke) 2009-06-03T14:58:03 very basic though nice to have it show you if there are holds ready you weren't aware of 2009-06-03T14:58:19 eby yes, that IS nice 2009-06-03T14:58:50 would be nicer if it let you select items to renew. i think ours forces you to rescan the item if you're using it to renew 2009-06-03T14:59:11 yeah 2009-06-03T14:59:20 *** levani_el has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T14:59:38 so, um, how do I log in to https://demo.gapines.org/opac/en-US/extras/selfcheck/selfcheck.xml ? 2009-06-03T14:59:50 but on a side note ours does let you check out rental items and charges it as a fine 2009-06-03T15:00:02 tnlibrarian I don't know (or if it's possible) but I've sent a query to a developer who's away at the moment 2009-06-03T15:00:13 kgs: thanks! 2009-06-03T15:00:16 tnlibrarian want to email me at kgs@esilibrary.com and I can forward? 2009-06-03T15:00:16 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T15:00:17 hello 2009-06-03T15:00:36 kgs: will do! 2009-06-03T15:00:48 i need server configuration for evergreen with 2000000 record... 2009-06-03T15:02:16 to work good 2009-06-03T15:04:15 other question: when import recort from congres library can`t edit 001 tag control number... what is is 001 and 003 tags and how work TCN number? 2009-06-03T15:28:44 *** _dkyle_ has left #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T15:29:40 tnlibrarian: admin/open-ils works 2009-06-03T15:30:04 levani_el: we have 2 million bib records in our system 2009-06-03T15:30:23 levani_el: I added the ability to edit 001 fields last week 2009-06-03T15:36:17 and how update? 2009-06-03T15:36:38 u must write me server confiduration? 2009-06-03T15:37:25 i must install evergreen 1.4.0.4 ? 2009-06-03T15:37:40 *** moodaepo has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T15:38:12 levani_el: no, this is only in trunk at the moment (so Evergreen 1.6, when that comes out) 2009-06-03T15:38:28 mister dan 1.4.0.4 work good without bugs? 2009-06-03T15:38:28 for the record admin/open-ils work with the demo self-check url 2009-06-03T15:38:33 1.6? 2009-06-03T15:38:59 when? 2009-06-03T15:39:25 levani_el: there are some bugs in 1.4.0.4 unfortunately; a release candidate of 1.6 should be ready soon 2009-06-03T15:39:33 hi all, first time visitor, evergreen freshman! Will 1.6 work with 1.4.x client and vice versa? 2009-06-03T15:39:52 good 2009-06-03T15:39:55 1.4.0.4 has some bugs that might bite; but most if not all of those are fixed in the parent branch, just waiting for another version to be cut 2009-06-03T15:40:23 I know 1.4x client had issues with 1.2x server (or it was just me?) 2009-06-03T15:40:54 does anyone know svn or trac foo that would let me see what changesets have been made to rel_1_4 since rel_1_4_0_4 was cut? 2009-06-03T15:41:01 what is TCN control number or unique ID record? 2009-06-03T15:42:26 moodaepo: no, 1.6 has some client-side changes that will require a new staff client. 2009-06-03T15:43:17 dbs: thnx 2009-06-03T15:46:23 may give me link requirements for server to install evergreen ? 2009-06-03T15:47:07 phasefx: do you mean something like this? > http://tinyurl.com/rexune or a clearer text changelog? : ) 2009-06-03T15:47:35 *** _dkyle_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T15:48:36 levani_el: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=system_requirements 2009-06-03T15:49:01 moodaepo++ that looks promising 2009-06-03T15:49:33 mister Jason for server ? 2009-06-03T15:50:16 levani_el: one more link for you, just a sec 2009-06-03T15:50:48 thank 2009-06-03T15:50:51 levani_el: there are some example server specs in this slideshow: http://www.slideshare.net/evergreenils/evergreen-sysadmin-survival-skills 2009-06-03T15:51:24 may be overkill for you, I don't know 2009-06-03T15:51:27 phasefx: I like the side by side view if one must really browse through and make sure you check all the three boxes under ignore...I do. 2009-06-03T15:52:16 so who were all at the conference last month? 2009-06-03T15:52:30 moodaepo: can you do more of a changelog/timeline style view? 2009-06-03T15:53:41 * phasefx went.. one of the scruffy ones with dark circles under his eyes 2009-06-03T15:59:30 *** Rickd___ has quit IRC 2009-06-03T16:21:59 I'm trying to compile a c app for opensrf, and the following command tells me that it can't find the opensrf headers.... could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? gcc -I/libxml -I -I/openils/include -MT echo.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/echo.Tpo -c echo.c -o.libs/echo.o 2009-06-03T16:22:10 btw, the source file is echo.c 2009-06-03T16:24:12 I think that the source file should be fine, as it the dbmath source file for now. 2009-06-03T16:24:30 I get a few errors like this one: echo.c:1:38: error: opensrf/osrf_app_session.h: No such file or directory 2009-06-03T16:28:33 which leads me to believe that there is something wrong with the include paths 2009-06-03T16:35:18 ok,looks like I forgot libxml2 2009-06-03T16:44:41 *** natschil has quit IRC 2009-06-03T16:44:55 *** wlayton has quit IRC 2009-06-03T16:50:01 *** evette-mlc has quit IRC 2009-06-03T16:51:06 *** levani_el has quit IRC 2009-06-03T16:53:36 *** Brownbag has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T17:04:56 *** moodaepo has left #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T17:28:19 *** LaBon has quit IRC 2009-06-03T17:38:10 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2009-06-03T17:59:41 *** eby has quit IRC 2009-06-03T18:28:25 *** tnlibrarian has quit IRC 2009-06-03T18:30:41 *** Brownbag has quit IRC 2009-06-03T18:33:19 miker_: uh-oh. uris-as-assets also returns results when you're trying to apply a copy location filter. 2009-06-03T18:34:05 I kept wondering why on earth I was getting all of these electronic resources when I was searching against a dusty part of our archives, then realized what was going on. Heh. 2009-06-03T18:34:18 and with that, I'm heading home for a thrashing for being super-late 2009-06-03T18:39:03 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T18:45:36 *** dbs has quit IRC 2009-06-03T19:15:40 *** lee2 has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T19:17:39 *** lee1 has quit IRC 2009-06-03T19:17:39 *** asmodai has quit IRC 2009-06-03T19:18:22 *** asmodai has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T19:26:57 *** brendan_ga has quit IRC 2009-06-03T19:43:46 *** brendan_ga has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T19:44:27 *** brendan_ga_ has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T19:44:27 *** brendan_ga has quit IRC 2009-06-03T19:52:18 *** djfiander has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T19:54:57 @later tell dbs I've addressed th shelving location issue with Located URIs, but status filtering remains. in practice, the only status filter available to users is the "available" set, and ISTM that Located URI records should show up for those result sets. thoughts? 2009-06-03T19:54:57 miker_: The operation succeeded. 2009-06-03T19:55:24 yes, online materials are always available. 2009-06-03T20:34:47 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2009-06-03T20:48:29 *** sylvar_laptop has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T20:54:15 *** jeff_ has quit IRC 2009-06-03T20:54:36 *** jeff_ has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T21:13:47 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T21:25:52 *** djfiander has quit IRC 2009-06-03T21:37:07 *** eby has joined #OpenILS-Evergreen 2009-06-03T21:46:42 *** eby has quit IRC 2009-06-03T22:05:00 *** mib_r2rosp has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T22:46:36 *** jamesrf has quit IRC 2009-06-03T22:56:23 *** rsinger has quit IRC 2009-06-03T23:08:19 *** jamesrf has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T23:45:30 *** mib_r2rosp has quit IRC 2009-06-03T23:46:08 *** dbs has joined #openils-evergreen 2009-06-03T23:46:20 miker_++ 2009-06-03T23:46:43 I agree with djfiander, online is always available