15:01:09 #startmeeting 2013-1-22 Evergreen Reports Interest Group 15:01:09 Meeting started Tue Jan 22 15:01:09 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is jventuro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:09 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:33 Hi everybody! Let's start with introductions 15:02:18 * jventuro is Jessica Venturo, Bibliomation 15:02:39 * jeff is Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) 15:03:08 * bshum is Ben Shum, Bibliomation 15:03:17 * chtrotter is Cristina Trotter, Laurens County Library (PINES) 15:04:19 Thanks for coming, all 15:04:38 Looks like we've got a small group today, unless there are any more? 15:05:21 Here's the agenda for today's meeting: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:meetings:2012-1-22-agenda 15:06:13 And the first item is... 15:06:30 #topic Review and approval of minutes from the last meeting: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2012/evergreen.2012-11-26-15.00.html 15:07:03 I think we did miss a few things, actually, when looking over the logs. 15:07:45 Most notably, Cristina's addition of the development page to the wiki 15:07:58 good catch. 15:08:19 I was wondering about that... 15:08:54 #info chtrotter added a page regarding developments to the wiki: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:taskforce_reports-related_development_projects 15:09:20 Also, we talked a bit about the group's name change and making the changes on the wiki 15:09:21 Feel free to add your own "info" tags if I forget something 15:10:31 #info Discussion regarding making name changes on the wiki - tabled for the next (today's) meeting. 15:10:52 Anything else? 15:11:16 looks good. 15:11:20 I can't think of anything else. 15:12:09 Awesome. Next topic is... 15:12:20 #topic Documentation 15:13:28 #info Jim Keenan has stepped up at the reports documentation coordinator for DIG 15:13:39 I read that on the DIG discussion list 15:14:04 I does anyone know him or how to get in touch with him? 15:14:34 If he has a good handle on what is needed in the reports documentation, some of us may be able to contribute. 15:15:04 We should sweet talk him into coming to our next meeting. 15:15:14 krvgma I think is his IRC handle. kmlussier should poke him. 15:15:21 For the next meeting. 15:15:28 Whoa! i'm here. sorry to be late 15:15:29 Or speak of him and he shall appear! 15:15:40 lol 15:15:46 Jim is with CW/MARS. His email is findable, and reaching out on the DIG list would probably be a good idea. 15:15:46 That was magical! 15:15:46 beetlejuice 15:16:32 Hi krvmga. We were just mentioning that we should get a hold of you to talk about what documentation was needed for reports. 15:16:46 Or improvements to the existing documentation. 15:16:59 i know. i was following via ESP (a special kind of IRC client) 15:17:11 i just stepped into this role last week, really 15:17:30 i haven't had a lot of time to look over the docs with a view to discovering what's missing/needs elaboration 15:17:41 we've been having some exciting times at cwmars 15:17:53 i did, however, glance through all of them. 15:18:11 i have a question. 15:18:23 i want to be able to reach out to people to invite them to contribute to the work 15:18:32 what's the easiest way for me to do that? 15:18:36 the DIG list? 15:18:59 my email, for those who might want it, is jkeenan@cwmars.org 15:19:16 I think so, and the reports list too. That might get at some people who aren't a part of DIG. 15:19:35 thanks. 15:19:56 i know that one area we've been looking at here is working up some documentation on the data sources for reports 15:20:21 That would be useful. 15:20:51 It could also be LOT of content. 15:20:57 i'll call on anyone who might be willing to contribute even a little bit in this direction 15:21:19 jventuro: you're right. there are a lot of sources and understanding how to use them is not trivial. 15:21:31 for the average user, anyway 15:21:57 krvmga: What is the best way to get started in contributing? 15:22:32 Or is that still being worked out? 15:22:57 jventuro: this week i'll spend some time analyzing the existing docs and identifying holes and weaknesses. either the end of this week or the beginning of the next, i'll send out a summary of what i've discovered. 15:23:19 we can start moving forward from there. does this sound okay? 15:23:28 krvmga++ 15:23:28 Sounds great! 15:23:40 krvmga++ 15:23:52 Can I put that down as an action item? 15:24:04 in the meantime, if anyone has any thoughts about that, please feel free to send them to me. 15:24:17 #action krvmga review docs and send out summary 15:24:43 Thanks. And thanks for popping in! 15:24:53 Real quick...as for documentation on data sources... you can find some info written up on the advanced reporting guide here: 15:24:54 http://pines.georgialibraries.org/pines/pines-evergreen-reports-documentation 15:24:54 i apologize for being late. 15:25:05 Not a problem. 15:25:09 chtrotter: thanks! 15:25:36 I've said this before, but that PINES guide is great. 15:25:40 This is specific to PINES libraries, so it mentions the "Classic" sources which are PINES-specific...but the other info is good. 15:26:06 Actually, we just made the "Classic" sources work for Biblio, thanks to bshum 15:26:09 i'm not sure how to tell how many of us are in the meeting. 15:26:38 Really? Well, then, I should let you know that the Classic Item Source has a bug. 15:26:49 chtrotter: important safety tip 15:27:41 also, if you run across likely candidates, feel free to recruit them for us. i'm sure we'll have a list of open assignments very soon. 15:27:55 * chtrotter is searching for bug link 15:27:57 krvmga: MeetBot only counts those who write at least one line 15:28:29 all right, you lurkers. type a line. 15:28:30 * jventuro is interested in contributing 15:28:31 I think I recall reading the bug csharp filed about classic item source. Something to do with duplication. 15:28:39 aha! Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1072892 15:28:39 Launchpad bug 1072892 in Evergreen "reporter.classic_item_list view creates repeated rows" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Incomplete] 15:29:23 jventuro++ 15:29:35 Thanks for the info, chtrotter 15:29:40 chtrotter++ 15:29:50 Yeah, that bug really irks me because now I have to come up with another way to do my nonfiction collection analysis...and throw out previous years' info. 15:30:13 Ugh... 15:31:12 Oh, well, poor me. I am just glad the bug has been discovered and filed for possible fixing. 15:31:27 Anything else on docs before we move on? 15:31:37 anyone? 15:32:07 well, done and done, then. Everyone will have something from me in the near future. 15:32:23 krvmga++ 15:32:35 krvmga++ 15:32:45 OK, next topic... 15:32:53 krvmga: sounds good. we'll look to the list(s) for your update. :-) 15:32:57 #topic Development 15:33:34 Anything new with the current development projects that are going on? 15:34:00 The PINES project is coming along well. Also, I added a bit about the project on this page: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:taskforce_reports-related_development_projects 15:34:59 Very nice 15:35:22 I also added an update to the Biblio developments on that same page. 15:36:10 We are using code that tsbere wrote and it is working wonderfully 15:36:13 hopefully i18n is considered when doing new parts, so that strings are readily translatable. 15:37:35 chtrotter: with the PINES project, is the interface being built in a way to support future i18n / translation from English to other languages? 15:39:18 * denials is willing to be that the developers would be willing to do so if they knew what they had to do 15:39:51 * jeff nods 15:40:44 also hopefully without inventing Yet Another way of handling the translation :P 15:40:56 lacking someone with that knowledge, those interested in i18n get to deal with it when it is public code 15:41:02 a little bit of a tangent, but it's probably better to do it from the start than to try to retrofit later, and as denials alludes, we might have some room for improvement with "here's a good way to do i18n in this area of Evergreen" 15:41:04 chtrotter: Is that something you would be able to find out? 15:43:02 Sorry, y'all, I am still a bit of IRC newbie. As for the PINES project, I will have to check with the PINES staff about the support of i18n. 15:43:14 chtrotter++ thanks! 15:44:13 Thanks. I'll make a note of it. 15:44:42 #info Further information on PINES development project available here: http://open-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:taskforce_reports-related_development_projects 15:45:38 #action chtrotter will check with PINES staff to find out if the project supports i18n 15:46:12 Anything else on development? 15:47:11 In that case... 15:47:51 #topic Editing wiki pages to reflect our name change from "Report Task Force" to "Reports Interest Group" 15:48:05 We started this discussion last week 15:48:45 As of right now, I think all of the headings and references to the group have been edited, but we're still working on URLs 15:49:15 jventuro: Thanks for making all the changes thus far 15:49:29 I think last time we discussed this, it was mentioned that changing page names is fraught with problems? 15:50:07 chtrotter: Thanks for helping me find that last one :) 15:51:31 What I had planned to do was just make a new page and copy over the content, but I'm not sure if there is an easier option. From what folks were saying, it didn't seem so. 15:52:20 Maybe this is a question for the web team? Anyone know anyone on that group? 15:54:53 I'll...see what I can find out. 15:55:29 * chtrotter offers to help anyway I can. 15:55:30 Probably unlikely. 15:55:41 #action jventuro will contact the web team to find out the best way to change the page names/URLs 15:55:50 I don't think we would be able to offer much assistance to moving around wiki pages. 15:56:05 * bshum was wearing his webteam hat to say that. 15:56:06 Is there someone else we should contact, then? 15:56:09 * chtrotter dreams of universal find and replace. 15:56:52 I was wondering if we should just let sleeping dragons lie 15:57:07 ^reference from the last meeting 15:57:29 jventuro: Maybe we can create a few test pages that link to each other to test out possible name change options? 15:58:05 I guess so. I don't like the idea of cluttering up the wiki, though. I would like to check with someone first, but I'm not sure who to check with. 16:01:24 chtrotter: I'll still see what I can find out. Even if it's not from the web team. 16:01:44 And I'll let you know. 16:03:08 OK, we're past our hour mark, but any new business before we wrap up? 16:03:46 none here. 16:04:33 I still want to discuss ideas about what the group could be doing, but seeing as we've had some good discussion the past few meetings, maybe we're good? 16:05:45 One thing we could do is review our wishlist items. 16:06:36 While updating the development page, I realized I had not looked at the wishlist in a long while. 16:07:05 That's a good point. 16:07:31 hack 16:07:39 lol, wrong window 16:07:39 I wonder if this is a good venue for that, or if we should discuss it on the email list or at the conference? 16:07:45 sorry 16:09:02 Maybe on the email list we can put out a request for folks to review the wishlist. And then do some follow-up discussion at our next meeting? 16:09:32 Good idea 16:09:53 #topic Wishlist 16:11:01 #action jventuro will ask for people to review the wish list and discuss additions/changes at the next meeting. 16:11:12 Anything else? 16:12:04 None here. 16:13:25 OK, in that case, meeting adjourned. Thanks, everybody! 16:13:39 #endmeeting