14:00:37 <yboston> #startmeeting 2014-12-04 - DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting 14:00:37 <pinesol_green> Meeting started Thu Dec 4 14:00:37 2014 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:37 <pinesol_green> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:37 <pinesol_green> The meeting name has been set to '2014_12_04___dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentation_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting' 14:00:46 <yboston> The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20141204-agenda 14:01:10 <yboston> #topic Introductions 14:01:16 <yboston> Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... 14:01:31 <yboston> #info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music - DIG meeting facilitator 14:01:37 <kmlussier> #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC 14:01:45 <remingtron> #info remingtron is Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) 14:03:12 <remingtron> quiet day in #evergreen 14:03:41 <yboston> I always set a timer to decide when I start the meeting. Almost done 14:04:35 <remingtron> well, everyone with Action Items is here, I guess that's something 14:04:51 <kmlussier> It's a busy time of year. Sometimes hard to get people to a meeting. 14:04:52 <yboston> good point. I am ready to start 14:05:07 <remingtron> kmlussier: true, holidays and all 14:05:24 <yboston> it is about quality not quantity 14:05:28 <yboston> :) 14:05:30 <purcellm> #info purcellm is michelle purcell drexel 14:05:35 <remingtron> I should have brought cookies 14:05:37 <kmlussier> Ha ha. But quantity does help. :) 14:05:44 <yboston> I know :( 14:05:44 <kmlussier> Welcome purcellm! 14:05:45 <remingtron> welcome purcellm! 14:05:50 <purcellm> Hi! 14:05:51 <yboston> purcellm++ 14:05:59 <yboston> I think we can start now 14:06:07 <remingtron> yboston: go for it 14:06:19 <yboston> #topic past meeting action items 14:06:34 <sandbergja> #info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College 14:06:49 <kmlussier> Hi sandbergja! 14:06:54 <yboston> #topic yboston will contact krvmga to check in on his 2.7 docs work 14:06:56 <remingtron> welcome sandbergja! 14:07:36 <yboston> I reached out to him last week (or earlier) 14:07:56 <yboston> he said he still needed more work to be done on these docs 14:08:05 <yboston> he said he would try to get it donw and contact us 14:08:22 <yboston> I can reach out to him again? 14:08:24 <remingtron> sound like he was wanting/willing for help? 14:08:38 <yboston> yes, he wanted to finish the work 14:08:56 <remingtron> you mean, finish it himself? or give it to someone else? 14:09:24 <yboston> yes, himself 14:09:30 <remingtron> ah, okay 14:09:34 <yboston> just looked up our conversation. he still needs to test 14:09:45 <yboston> that EG behaves as his docs describes 14:09:52 <yboston> tis was back on November 26 14:09:57 <remingtron> I'd say yes, just follow up with him again, whenever seems best 14:10:01 <yboston> OK 14:10:15 <yboston> #action yboston will contact krvmga to check in on his 2.7 docs work 14:10:42 <yboston> #topic kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs. 14:10:52 * kmlussier needs to defer her action items. 14:11:05 <yboston> no worries 14:11:06 <kmlussier> Sorry! The month goes by more quickly than I expect. 14:11:17 <remingtron> kmlussier: any way we can help? 14:11:35 <kmlussier> RDA should be easy. I just need to do it. 14:11:50 <yboston> #action kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs. 14:11:52 <kmlussier> I'm basing the marc stream importer documentation on notes I received from somebody else. 14:12:15 <yboston> I don't mind restarting the action item 14:12:18 <kmlussier> I can dig those up and post them on a google doc somewhere if somebody wants to help with it. 14:12:34 <sandbergja> I can help with that, if you want to go the google doc route 14:12:48 <kmlussier> It's not just documentation for the new feature. I don't think there's every been marc stream importer documentation, so it's really starting from scratch. 14:13:11 <yboston> kmlussier: should I add an action item for sharing what you have? 14:13:30 <kmlussier> sandbergja: OK. Can you send me a private message with the e-mail address you have linked to your Google account? 14:13:31 <remingtron> sandbergja++ #for sharing the load 14:13:48 <yboston> sandbergja++ 14:13:49 <kmlussier> I probably won't pull it together until next week since I really want to focus on the web client tomorrow. 14:13:59 <sandbergja> sounds good! 14:14:00 <kmlussier> sandbergja++ indeed! 14:14:31 <yboston> if we want to move on, this is the perfect segway to the web client work 14:14:45 <remingtron> yboston: go right ahead 14:14:58 <yboston> #topic Web Client documentation work 14:15:10 <yboston> thanks to remingtron for putting together the poll and other logistics 14:15:14 <yboston> remingtron++ 14:15:26 <yboston> #link http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:webclient 14:15:27 <kmlussier> remingtron++ 14:15:29 <sandbergja> remingtron++ 14:15:37 <remingtron> you're welcome. I'm not sure what comes next, though. 14:16:25 <kmlussier> I think we need more people to sign up for tasks. I tried to flesh out the outline for what can be documented tomorrow. Maybe we need to send out one last reminder asking people to assign themselves? 14:16:31 <yboston> of the top of my head, when was the test server built? I wonder what commits it contains, in case new features are in master that are not in the test server? 14:16:48 <kmlussier> Actually, the opposite is true 14:16:57 <yboston> I still need to assign myself a tasks 14:17:03 <kmlussier> webby has bug fixes that have not been merged into master yet. 14:17:14 <yboston> good to know 14:17:25 <remingtron> #link https://webby.evergreencatalog.com/eg/staff/ 14:17:38 <kmlussier> graced also told us she would try to make sure webby stays as stable as possible tomorrow. 14:17:38 <yboston> by the way, applying 2020 hindsight 14:17:42 <kmlussier> graced++ 14:17:54 <remingtron> graced++ 14:17:54 <yboston> I would have mentioned in our emails that no software instalation was needed to help out 14:18:30 <yboston> I wonder if folks assumed they needed to install software for documenting, but then again it is a web client 14:19:05 <remingtron> yboston: good question. I'll send another reminder today, with the added note about no software needed 14:19:37 <kmlussier> And we want a Google Hangout tomorrow, right? 14:19:40 <yboston> BTW, should one of us host a google hangout? I can do that 14:19:48 <yboston> you read my mind 14:20:09 <remingtron> yes, I'd be glad for one of you to host it 14:20:10 <kmlussier> remingtron and I were talking about it earlier. I'm happy to set it up too. 14:20:46 <kmlussier> heads says yboston sets it up; tails is me. 14:20:47 <kmlussier> @coin 14:20:47 <pinesol_green> kmlussier: tails 14:21:07 <remingtron> kmlussier: good decision making tool 14:21:15 <kmlussier> remingtron: I need to use it more often. :) 14:21:25 <yboston> if you have any issues let me know, and I can step in 14:21:36 <remingtron> starting about 8am EST? 14:21:51 <yboston> should we mention that you ned to share your Google accoutn email address to Kathy in an email tomorrow? 14:22:36 <remingtron> kmlussier: yeah, do you want to send the info to the DIG list about joining? 14:22:42 <kmlussier> Yes, I can do that. 14:22:49 <remingtron> kmlussier++ 14:22:50 <kmlussier> I'll also post a link in here tomorrow. 14:23:41 <kmlussier> And I'll have it ready by 8 a.m. I don't have to commute tomorrow, so I should be able to start early. 14:23:48 <yboston> cool 14:24:29 <yboston> BTW, off the top of my head I don't know what feature of the web cleints to docuemnt. I am open to suggestions or if someone want to team up with me to geta feel of how to make docs 14:24:43 <yboston> remeber that AsciiDoc is not required 14:25:31 <yboston> Also, remind me where we are placing the new docs we create? an appendix section? 14:25:56 <remingtron> yboston: good question! 14:26:10 <kmlussier> I think we talked about having a separate section. 14:26:12 <purcellm> I need to head to another meeting. I'll take a look at the web client and try and find a task to assign myself to. 14:26:23 <yboston> thanks purcellm 14:26:23 <purcellm> Bye. 14:26:25 <kmlussier> purcellm++ 14:26:44 * kmlussier looks for old meeting minutes 14:27:24 <remingtron> I don't think we ever discussed where in the docs to put this stuff 14:27:41 <remingtron> I think appendix sounds fine for now 14:28:00 <remingtron> maybe with links from the current staff client docs in some places 14:28:56 <kmlussier> We discussed it in October. The consensus was a separate section at the time. http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2014/evergreen.2014-10-02-14.00.log.html 14:29:08 <kmlussier> Around the 14:31 point of the meeting. 14:29:09 <remingtron> thanks kmlussier 14:29:59 <kmlussier> And then it looks like we need to backport it to 2.7 14:30:04 <yboston> I should have made an action item to bring this topic up to the list 14:30:24 <kmlussier> I don't think you did because we had general consensus at the meeting. 14:30:25 <yboston> but the early consensus was a new section 14:30:39 <kmlussier> I can create the section when this meeting is done to get ready for tomorrow if it helps. 14:30:45 <yboston> OK 14:31:00 <remingtron> great 14:31:32 <yboston> anything else to talk about tomorrow? 14:31:56 <remingtron> yes briefly 14:32:02 <yboston> go ahead 14:32:12 <yboston> I did not mean to rush you 14:32:14 <remingtron> all are welcome to improve the wiki page with helpful instructions for participants 14:32:18 <remingtron> (no worries) 14:33:39 <remingtron> I added some brief "How to Help" steps 14:33:49 <remingtron> and basic info about the demo server 14:34:11 <yboston> very nice 14:34:35 <remingtron> thanks 14:35:31 <yboston> after the meeting I will put my name down in a couple of sections. 14:35:44 <yboston> does it matter if they are based on XUL code, like the patron record itnerface? 14:36:08 <yboston> I guess I can docuemnt the new look with new screenshots 14:36:57 <kmlussier> yboston: Yeah, that documentation probably doesn't need much updating. But you might want to do the new screenshots if it looks a little different. 14:36:59 <remingtron> yboston: yes, I think the goal is to work from the new interface. In most case it is very similar to the XUL, but not always 14:37:10 <kmlussier> I think we may have new scrollbars that we didn't see in the patron editor before. 14:37:26 <kmlussier> remingtron: In the case of patron registration, they just ported over the Dojo interface. 14:37:33 <remingtron> ah, got it 14:37:56 <kmlussier> yboston: That's the one you were asking about, right? 14:38:38 <yboston> I am not 100% sure of what the section called "III. Circulation - Patron Record" covers 14:38:56 <yboston> I suspect it might mean editign a patron record at the very least 14:38:58 <kmlussier> yboston: Those section titles were just copied over from the existing docs. 14:39:03 <yboston> I just signed myself for it 14:39:09 <yboston> OK 14:39:47 <kmlussier> yboston: So it would be anything listed here - http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/dev/_circulation_patron_record.html 14:40:00 <kmlussier> Which is a lot. You might want to divvy it up further. 14:40:03 <remingtron> I think our goal for tomorrow should be to do what the web client has done: basically copy the existing documentation and make the minimum changes to work with the web client 14:40:35 <remingtron> (meaning, the web client is mostly a copy of the XUL client) 14:40:38 <kmlussier> Yes, I was planning to copy files from the existing docs and edit them accordingly. 14:40:53 <remingtron> so if we find big problems or holes in the docs, let's make notes about it but not get side tracked 14:41:31 <yboston> OK 14:41:32 <remingtron> since I tend to get side tracked by things :) 14:41:55 <kmlussier> remingtron: Yes, me too! A small doc change often turns into a day-long revamp of a section. :) 14:42:16 <yboston> yep 14:42:18 <remingtron> kmlussier: so, so familiar 14:42:29 <remingtron> alright, anything else about tomorrow? 14:43:04 <kmlussier> Nothing from me. 14:43:08 <yboston> I think I am all set 14:43:20 <remingtron> great, back to you, maestro yboston 14:43:28 <yboston> I had to small points to bring up before the meeting ends 14:43:37 <yboston> (gracias) 14:43:50 <yboston> #topic yboston will follow up with gmcharlt and Robert about provisioning a VM for DIG 14:44:24 <yboston> I forgot abotu this action item until like an hour ago, so I send out an email to the involved parties and will await a reponse 14:44:34 <yboston> #action yboston will follow up with gmcharlt and Robert about provisioning a VM for DIG 14:44:45 <remingtron> yboston++ #meetings encourage us to do things :) 14:44:59 <yboston> #topic Date for DIG monthly meeting in January 14:45:27 <yboston> If we follow that usual schedule, the next meeting would be on Janaury 1st 14:45:39 <yboston> I suspect, that we don't want to do that 14:45:43 <remingtron> hm, following week then? 14:46:20 <yboston> yes, and until now I thought I was unavailable but I will be at work 14:46:51 <yboston> oh wait, there is an Evergreen for academics meeting that day 14:46:53 <yboston> at 2 PM 14:47:16 <yboston> I can send out a an email tot he DIG list to see if we can meet before or after that meeting 14:47:26 <remingtron> sure, or how about the 15th? 14:47:33 <remingtron> you can ask the list or do a doodle 14:47:41 <yboston> EG board meeting at 2 PM :) 14:47:49 <remingtron> thursdays are packed! 14:48:01 <yboston> I can put out a doodle poll 14:48:10 <kmlussier> +1 to doodle 14:48:21 <yboston> I suspect I might want to wait until early Janaury to send it out 14:48:46 <remingtron> sounds fine 14:49:17 <yboston> OK 14:49:42 <yboston> I think we can wrap things up, unless someone has any comments or question, specially from newer members or lurkers 14:49:52 <remingtron> you can repeat my other action item for next meeting 14:50:27 <yboston> #action remingtron will set up doodle to set up a meeting on IRC in Janaury 2015 to discuss re-organizing the EG docs 14:50:36 <remingtron> thanks 14:50:38 <yboston> I totally misread that action item as being about the web client 14:51:10 <yboston> anything else? 14:51:26 <remingtron> nope 14:51:43 <yboston> OK will end the meeting, thanks 14:51:46 <remingtron> thanks for leading, as always! 14:51:47 <yboston> #endmeeting