14:00:59 #startmeeting 2015-03-05 - DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting 14:00:59 Meeting started Thu Mar 5 14:00:59 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:59 The meeting name has been set to '2015_03_05___dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentation_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting' 14:01:13 The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20150305-agenda 14:01:25 #topic Introductions 14:01:26 Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... 14:02:19 #info remingtron is Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) 14:02:33 #info kbutler is Kate Butler, Rodgers Memorial Library 14:02:51 #info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music - DIG meeting facilitator 14:02:52 #info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College 14:03:19 #info rsoulliere is Robert Soulliere, Mohawk College 14:03:57 ok lets move on 14:04:14 any reports from coordinators (no woorries if there are none)? 14:04:59 none from me. 14:05:17 OK 14:05:32 #topic old action items 14:05:42 #info 1) yboston will contact krvmga to check in on his 2.7 docs work 14:05:56 I spoke to krvmga, and apparently this has been taken care of 14:06:12 #info 2) kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs 14:06:23 yboston: question about #1 14:06:31 go ahead 14:06:32 does that mean it's been pushed to master? 14:06:50 that is an excelent question 14:07:10 otherwise, we just need to know where his finished work is so we can review and push it in 14:07:11 the notes I had at the last time I contacted him did not specify 14:07:25 what was missing, only that I had to check in on him 14:07:37 I can ask him again to verify exactly what it was 14:07:46 kmlussier: do you remember what it was? 14:08:17 I thought it either had to do with added content or with the MARC stream importer? 14:08:56 looks like added content 14:09:06 #link http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.7_needs 14:09:21 (look for Jim Keenan, under OPAC section) 14:09:30 I see 14:09:58 Sorry, I stepped away. 14:10:45 I am grepping the docs to see what I find under "cafe" 14:10:50 I haven't seen Jim's documentation merged anywhere. However, there was some other work done on Added Content since then. I don't know if it overlaps or not. 14:11:24 I think Josh Stompro may have done that work? 14:11:33 * kmlussier still needs to defer her action item. 14:11:44 Sorry sandbergja! I know I owe you some notes. 14:12:16 kmlussier: no worries! 14:13:33 It looks like there is nno recent updates to content related to "content cafe" in master right now 14:13:54 here is a link ot the history of the file that covers contnet cafe http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=history;f=docs/admin_initial_setup/designing_your_catalog.txt;h=4699ae2fe912acc71fbc7729bd8a8330d2c9b780;hb=master 14:15:20 I can follow up with krvmga to verify where the content is; or if he can provide with another copy of it 14:15:32 I was expecting Jim to send us a link to his docs, then we would review and push it in 14:15:54 so I figured since we didn't hear anything, we just needed to follow up with him 14:16:10 I will reach out to him again 14:16:10 yboston++ 14:16:18 #action yboston will reach out to krvmga for another copy of his docs to push to master 14:16:38 #action kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs 14:16:55 anything else before I move on to older action items? 14:17:23 will move on 14:17:31 #info 3) yboston will follow up with gmcharlt and Robert about provisioning a VM for DIG 14:18:10 I have spoken to gmcharlt , we hope to have a partially set up VM next week 14:18:25 hurray! 14:18:36 though we would need to then start configuring it for docs processing 14:19:10 gmcharlt++ 14:19:15 csharp++ 14:19:23 any additional comments on this topic? 14:19:46 moving on 14:19:52 #info 4) remingtron will set up doodle to set up a meeting on IRC in February 2015 to discuss re-organizing the EG docs 14:20:00 done and done 14:20:03 yup 14:20:04 remingtron++ 14:20:19 I thought it was great t have a whle meeting on one subject 14:20:28 though it might been a nightmare for others 14:20:36 me too, very focused 14:20:59 I thought it was great, even though I ended up missing most of it in person. 14:21:06 there were some next action from that meeting, none of which I currently recall 14:21:13 should I add them to this meeting too? 14:21:23 yboston: we can discuss it under "New Business" 14:21:31 I can remind you about some of them 14:21:35 OK, lets move on (thanks) 14:21:53 #info 5) all check in on state of latest web client docs from bshum or others 14:22:47 we can get to that in a minute too, under Old Business, and I'll explain the state of things 14:23:07 I got a chance to install OSRF 2.4 and saw soem of the web clietn install docs, but I have not verified that the process worked 14:23:16 OK, moving on 14:23:29 #info 6) remingtron will set up a doodle poll and ask on the DIG list to set up a time for a DIG 2.8 hackfest 14:23:37 done & and to be done tomorrow 14:23:48 remingtron++ 14:23:49 yes, excited for the hackfest 14:24:05 that is the last of the old business 14:24:57 sorry, the last of the previous meeting action items 14:25:26 any preference between tacklign old busniess versus new business? I rather tackle the hackfest first 14:25:45 (sorry for my bad spelling) 14:25:53 sure, hackfest first 14:26:11 #topic DIG hackfest 14:26:27 thanks to kmlussier & remingtron for helping to move things forward 14:26:51 I can host the goolge hangout 14:26:57 great! 14:27:40 any other questions or comments ont he hackfest? 14:27:40 I can't join until about 9am EST 14:28:13 on a related note, I will be out for a meeting bewteen 9:50 and 11 AM EST 14:28:33 can you leave the hangout open during that time? 14:28:43 yes 14:28:51 out of curiosity, can I get a show of hands of how can make it? 14:29:07 also, if possible I guess we can start markign what we want to work on 14:29:24 #link http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.8_needs 14:30:30 now that I thik about it, since we are not meeting in groups in a physical location there might not be much to talk about right now 14:30:40 any final questosn or comments on the topic of the hackfest? 14:30:59 just that all who are willing should sign up for something 14:31:04 * kmlussier raises here hand 14:31:19 the goal is to have all 2.8 features documented and pushed to master before 2.8 is released 14:31:37 I think the target release date is still March 18 14:32:15 kmlussier: did you have a question? 14:32:23 or just sowing support 14:32:27 *showing 14:32:34 yboston: You asked for a show of hands 14:32:39 So I showed my hand. :) 14:32:40 oops 14:32:43 thanks 14:32:47 kmlussier++\ 14:32:57 kmlussier++ 14:33:21 I can move on to other business now 14:34:10 let me stick to new busniess 14:34:24 #topic We should use .asciidoc file extension. 14:34:50 this and the next topic were suggestions from.....someone I can't remember 14:35:11 and I lost that IRC session. Josh someone? 14:35:23 sorry whoever you are! 14:35:27 I can't remember either, but I really like having Github parse the docs automatically 14:35:44 Justin Hopkins? 14:35:58 yes, I think that's it! 14:36:05 rsoulliere: Does that cause any problems with the doc build? 14:36:09 hopkinsju++ 14:37:09 kmlussier: shouldn't cause any problems. 14:37:13 kmlussier: all of the references to the doc source filenames would need to be adjusted, a one time pain 14:37:40 dbs: right, we'd have to choose a time and make the switch 14:38:16 so if everyone agrees, I can help coordinate the time, probably after 2.8 is released 14:38:21 * kmlussier has no opinion on the matter 14:38:29 Just tell me what to do, and I'll do it. :) 14:38:59 anyone have concerns? 14:39:05 I could argue that the use of the txt suffix looks friendlier to newcomers than what we are proposing 14:39:30 the files can open by default ona windows or Mac machine 14:39:49 yboston: yes, but GitHub will be much friendlier by auto-generating the HTML to preview 14:40:18 remingtron: I agree, that part is very enticing 14:40:27 true, we would lose the niceness for working on their local computer 14:41:03 we can create a guide to teach folks to use Notepad or Notepadd++ to open these files 14:41:03 * dbs doesn't have a sense for how many people contribute to the docs via github 14:41:43 it could help promote the uses of gists even more 14:42:56 I think we've had more github activity recently 14:42:57 should we have a vote on the mailing list? 14:43:11 (for the change) 14:43:16 sure, I'll send a note to the list 14:43:22 that will get more voices, hopefully 14:43:55 #action remingtron will send out emial to list about cahnging the file suffix in the docs repo to .asciidoc 14:44:18 #topic We should use the alternate style of headings 14:44:37 #link http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/36 14:44:46 * dbs thinks .adoc might work too, which has the advantage of being shorter 14:45:08 * dbs confirms .adoc works : https://github.com/opendevise/asciidoc-samples 14:45:11 I've seen both styles of headings used in our docs. I'm not sure I see the benefit of choosing one over the other. Couldn't people just use whichever they prefer? 14:45:22 dbs++ 14:45:43 dbs++ 14:45:48 I think the alternate style is more readable unrendered. 14:46:03 kbutler: I agree 14:46:07 kmlussier: the underline style is easy to get wrong, must be the exact right length 14:46:27 kmlussier: and underlines are hard to remember which character to use for which level 14:46:33 unintuitive 14:46:49 remingtron: I agree on all points 14:47:00 I would call them minor differences, but worth changing 14:47:00 * dbs agrees that it comes down to preferences 14:47:12 kbutler: I misread, I disagree with you :( 14:47:43 and potentially more churn in two more years if a different group decides they prefer a different style 14:47:53 dbs: hm, good point 14:48:04 I guess it would probably get confusing if we were using both styles all over the place 14:48:25 dbs: A different group? Where are we going? ;) 14:49:21 well, it's certainly not an urgent issue, so let's move the discussion to the list 14:49:23 either way, we should turn to the list for more opinions / votes 14:49:33 yboston: my thoughts exactly! 14:49:38 :) 14:49:40 My preference is to leave it so that people use whichever style they prefer. But, if others want to go with the alternate style, I'll learn the other way. 14:49:47 and we would need to pick a time to do the switch, if we want to 14:50:27 I am a bit concerend that it will ger really confusing if we mix two styles in the same file 14:50:58 yboston: agreed, we should always use the same style within one file 14:51:13 any edits or additions should use the existing style 14:51:27 does any one to volunteer to send an email to the list to talk abotu this further? 14:51:29 I'll send that email to the list in a few weeks 14:51:30 That's fine with me. 14:52:05 #action remingtron will send an emial to the list to consider changing the AsciiDoc section header style 14:52:31 we have less than ten minutes 14:52:40 shoudl we cover web clients or the re-org? 14:52:50 I mean cover first 14:52:53 one question about the re-org 14:53:00 go agead 14:53:07 does everyone think we should have another special meeting about it? 14:53:17 if so, I'll send another doodle to pick the time 14:53:47 I definetly want another meeting at some point 14:54:02 otherwise, let's discuss it next meeting 14:54:07 though, I prefer that someone has summarized the notes from the first meeting first 14:54:18 there's a few links here: 14:54:23 http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:reorg_2014 14:54:52 I guess a few of the links are empty pages 14:55:01 but I posted my ideas here: 14:55:02 http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:reorg_2014:audience_focused_layout 14:55:30 about presenting the docs as separate books related to user type 14:55:38 remingtron++ 14:56:30 remingtron++ 14:57:10 we can wait untilt he next meeting to talk abotu this again and decide whn to have another meeitng 14:57:30 or I can create a doodle poll for another meeting 14:57:42 sure, let's wait until next meeting 14:57:48 ok 14:58:09 and all ideas are welcome! you can edit those wiki pages! 14:58:15 (you = anyone) 14:58:21 #action all decide how to proceed with docs reorganization next meeting 14:58:46 we have two mintues left 14:58:57 any questions or comemnts about web cleitn docs? 14:59:03 *client 14:59:24 just web client 14:59:27 oh, right 14:59:30 one comment 14:59:47 there are 3 docs ready to review on this page: 14:59:52 http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:webclient 15:00:12 we should try to review and push them to master. no rush, just didn't want to forget them 15:00:30 remingtron++ 15:00:34 that's all 15:00:39 anything else? 15:00:43 from enyone else? 15:01:07 OK then, thanks everyone and hope to see soem of you tomorrow 15:01:22 #endmeeting