15:04:23 #startmeeting Development meeting, 16 March 2015 15:04:23 Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:04:23 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:23 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:23 The meeting name has been set to 'development_meeting__16_march_2015' 15:04:37 #info Agenda is http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2015-03-16 15:04:53 #topic Introductions 15:04:59 #info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, ESI 15:05:09 #info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS 15:05:09 #info DPearl = Dan Pearl, C/W MARS 15:05:14 #info julialima = Julia Lima. UI Style Guide (OPW), Argentina. 15:05:16 #info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, MVLC 15:05:18 #info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) 15:05:33 #info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin College) 15:05:37 #info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) 15:06:03 #info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation 15:06:09 #info dbs = Dan Scott, Laurentian University 15:06:17 (land o' the flaky wireless) 15:06:28 dbs: Thanks, Harper! 15:06:55 #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC 15:08:00 ok, moving on 15:08:05 #topic OpenSRF release 15:08:48 not much specifically to say at the moment, beyond http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/OpenSRF.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/gmcharlt/better_osrf_control_diagnostic and websocket port standardization being on the radar 15:09:24 * gmcharlt notes that csharp has an update to the Fedora instructions in the working repo as well 15:09:36 #info eeevil = Mike Rylander, ESI 15:09:54 #info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, ESI 15:10:06 Does that sort of change warrant 2.5? I'm not sure the particulars of how we decide versioning for OpenSRF. 15:11:02 bshum: it could, though I lean more towards those changes warranint just a 2.4.1 15:11:20 I don't have particularly strong feelings either way 15:11:27 what *would* warrant a 2.5 is http2 support, IMO 15:12:07 any other comments 15:12:07 ? 15:13:05 Doesn't look it warrants a 2.5 just for the diagnostic changes. 15:13:55 agreed 15:13:58 moving on 15:14:05 #topic Evergreen release 15:14:08 berick: about? 15:15:18 omg, yes 15:15:26 :) 15:15:27 odd morning 15:15:30 welcome, berick 15:15:33 thanks ;) 15:15:39 so, we ready for an RC1? 15:15:44 (you've been volunteered to do all the things, by the way ;) ) 15:15:49 heh 15:15:57 berick++ 15:16:30 i think we're ready for an RC1. so i will cut one very soon 15:16:34 probaby tomorrow 15:16:46 berick: +1 to an RC1 15:17:08 #info berick to cut an RC1 for Evergreen 2.8.0 in the next day or so 15:17:17 i have not heard any problems w/ the beta, fwiw, apart from standard bug reports 15:17:38 Fwiw, we're still testing up our upgraded DB to master, but the upgrade scripts didn't blow up anywhere so far for us. 15:17:48 So far. 15:18:33 thanks, bshum 15:19:20 berick: anything else to say about 2.8 rc1? 15:19:59 nothing at the moment to add 15:20:30 ok, moving on 15:20:37 #topic Questions about Security Bugs/Process 15:21:16 #info Kathy Lussier's questions + responses - http://markmail.org/thread/fqrhegamnyej2s57 15:21:42 #info Proposal for defined process for security team membership - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:security#security_team 15:21:57 #info Current security team - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:security#current_security_team_members 15:22:25 as you can see, kmlussier has joined the team (as of today) 15:22:26 kmlussier++ 15:22:30 kmlussier++ 15:22:47 kmlussier++ 15:22:53 kmlussier++ 15:23:03 kmlussier++ 15:23:11 * kmlussier hasn't done much yet beyond making a lot of noise. ;) 15:23:52 kmlussier++ 15:24:48 so, at this point, the floor is open to any follow-up discussion 15:25:58 * kmlussier has nothing to add. 15:28:09 I propose that we carry on any further discussion on the ML, then 15:28:26 moving on in 15 seconds 15:28:26 It seems like it'll be good to see how the new policy and members work out for awhile and then see what else needs adjustment. 15:29:05 I agree 15:29:42 ok 15:29:46 #topic Style Guide Project 15:29:56 #info OPW project finsihed on 3/9 15:30:08 #info Project blog is at http://lima-julia.tumblr.com/ 15:30:19 #info Project branch is at https://github.com/JuliaLima/Evergreen/tree/patch-1/docs/style_guide 15:30:27 julialima: you have the floor 15:31:00 julialima has agreed to join us today for at least one more time (hopefully more again, someday :) 15:32:02 I took the opportunity to post some public gists to the agenda to perhaps encourage more review of what has been accomplished so far. 15:32:27 The guide is much more interesting and entertaining with all the pictures in place. 15:33:18 Finally, the "Next Steps" is my interpretation of some of julialima's recommendations in her last blog post. 15:33:43 Basically, how do we get this to a point where it is in full use? 15:33:57 julialima: I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts 15:35:58 Well, I know it is not easy the implementation of the UI style guide, so I try to think in the starting points about how to implement it (that is what I wrote in my blog post) 15:36:59 And I think dbwells understand what I mean in his proposal. I really hope it can be achieve 15:37:07 julialima: thanks, that helps :) 15:39:11 so, I think there are some details to digest 15:39:17 do folks have any immediate feedback? 15:39:20 I would like to see the full style guide posted somewhere on the Evergreen web site. Maybe as an appendix to the docs? 15:39:28 julialima++ 15:39:57 julialima++ 15:41:22 julialima++ 15:41:45 It seems like engagement here is pretty light today, so it probably makes sense to extend the "next steps" proposal discussion to the list as well? I want to be clear that this proposal as written is my own, just so there is no confusion about it. 15:42:11 yeah, I think moving the discussion onto open-ils-dev is the next step 15:42:34 any other comments before we move on to the next agenda item? 15:42:46 will do. Does anyone have any immediate feedback on the idea of a new team? 15:43:21 I'd like to address any concerns if possible when I email the list. 15:43:28 I like the idea of a new team to help facilitate adoption of the guide 15:43:44 * kmlussier agrees 15:43:45 -1 unless a reason can be articulated why a discussion cannot be held on open-ils-general and open-ils-dev 15:44:46 I don't see why discussion can't happen in our normal communication channels. 15:45:39 I am thinking meetings would happen in #evergreen, certainly. It is really more about commitment than anything else. 15:45:40 Let's start with the regular mailing lists and see what develops 15:46:38 I'm mostly interested in the commitment factor too. I actually wouldn't want to see too much more expansion happen with the style guide at this point. I would rather focus on starting to incorporate what's already there. 15:47:14 A big part of this is just building out the basic pieces that have been laid out 15:47:43 and we'll rename the .txt files to .adoc to get fancy highlighting in github :) 15:47:54 +1 to that :) 15:50:41 ok 15:50:43 Once more, I want to thank you all. It was an awesome experience for me. I am willing to help in whatever (opinions in general or questions about my work). I will try to be aware of the project and say hi once in a while. It was a real pleasure :) 15:50:52 thanks, julialima! 15:50:54 julialima++ 15:50:57 julialima++ 15:50:58 julialima++ 15:50:59 julialima++ 15:51:04 julialima++ 15:51:11 julialima++ thank you! 15:52:13 #topic Potential upcoming localhost WebSockets restrictions 15:52:38 #info Link to discussion of Chromium potentially blocking localhost websockets access https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=378566 15:54:08 I added this -- there's not much in stone yet, but I wanted to ensure that as wide an audience was aware of the issue (and how it could potentially affect Evergreen). 15:55:50 jeff++ # thanks for the heads-up 15:56:07 Monday must be a bad day for meetings. 15:56:09 We do not seem to be alone in having a use case for localhost WebSockets connections from Chrome, which is good. 15:56:25 yeah, but we should add our voice to the chorus 15:56:34 berick: are you up for that/ 15:56:35 ? 15:56:53 kmlussier: I'm just glad I didn't #startmeeting -- i'm presently out on the floor tag-teaming a recalcitrant microfilm scanner. :-) 15:57:16 heh 15:57:27 * dbs needs to split for kids 15:57:56 * Bmagic is glad dbs is not splitting kids 15:58:22 ok, I"m going to assign an action anyway 15:58:38 #action berick, gmcharlt, and eeevil will add a response to the chromium localhost ws bug 15:58:56 and finally, very briefly 15:59:09 #topic Feedback for new features under development 15:59:18 does anybody have new stuff in the works they want to mention? 16:00:23 equally briefly: we're looking at adding some things to Missing Pieces with regard to default circ duration after marking missing, etc. If others are interested, let me know or look for a launchpad wishlist bug in the near future. 16:00:53 sounds intriguing 16:00:57 thanks, jeff! 16:01:14 and as it is 16:01 here... 16:01:16 #endmeeting