14:00:39 #startmeeting 2015-06-18 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting 14:00:39 Meeting started Thu Jun 18 14:00:39 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is bshum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:39 The meeting name has been set to '2015_06_18___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting' 14:00:52 #link agenda: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001060.html 14:00:56 #topic Introductions 14:01:07 #info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation (chair) 14:01:31 #info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox 14:01:34 #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library 14:01:36 #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS, IRC-gaffer 14:01:44 #info yboston = Yamil Suarez - Berklee College ofMusic 14:01:47 #info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana 14:01:53 #info sherbert = Sharon Herbert, BC Libraries Cooperative/Sitka 14:01:58 * bshum waves at abneiman, glad you were able to make it and also cheers on your special day :) 14:02:20 #info tspindler = Tim Spindler, C/W MARS 14:02:29 bshum: :-D thanks! 14:02:40 Cool deal, that's everybody, Chauncey sends his regrets 14:02:51 #topic Minutes/actions from last meeting 14:02:59 #info See: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2015-05-14 14:03:32 Thanks csharp for preparing that for us while he's traveling 14:03:36 csharp++ 14:03:56 csharp++ 14:04:02 Does anyone have any notes or changes for those before we move on? 14:04:19 (I know that we'll probably want to take some new action again on some subjects like Conservancy) 14:05:07 I think that'd be under old business though, right? 14:05:38 Old/new, sure 14:05:44 none from me 14:06:23 Okay then 14:06:39 #topic EG 2015 Conference Wrap-up report 14:06:55 Buzzy couldn't be here today, but he sent along his report to the list 14:07:08 #link buzzy wrap-up report: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001061.html 14:07:09 bshum, if we want to continue discussion about the conservancy at this meeting, it probably need to go as old business at number 7. 14:08:44 rfrasur: Good idea, I'll slot it around there. 14:08:55 thanks :-) 14:09:04 buzzy's update looked pretty good to me, I liked reading through all the survey results. 14:09:28 I'll be more interested to see the final accounting, which kind of leads us to the next topic. 14:09:29 Are there comments/questions about the conference that aren't reflected in the email or the pdf? 14:10:37 Hmm, a good question. 14:10:38 What did y'all think of the lanyards? and the safety committee? 14:10:57 I thoujght they worked well 14:11:13 my bad, I missed the PDf in Buzzy email. Having a quick look at the comments 14:11:24 * csharp didn't hear any comments about the lanyards, good or bad 14:11:44 I did kinda chuckle at some of the comments...and am glad they're anonymous. 14:11:50 The comments I got was that their use was clear 14:12:01 IMO lanyards were great. Plan to save mine for next year. But as csharp, I didn't hear any remarks positive/negative on them. 14:12:02 csharp: same here...which is probably a good thing rather than a bad one. 14:12:28 abneiman: same here on the "reuse." 14:12:32 may I ask a question? 14:12:37 Please do 14:13:04 * csharp is amused at the number of bacon-positive comments 14:13:12 Do we now have to use those lanyards? I was proposing to have the lanyards as a possible sponsorship? If not, I'll change what I sent Grace. 14:13:38 The plan was to reuse them at upcoming conferences and extras were purchases for that reason. 14:13:39 Yes, we are planning to continue using the lanyards which eliminates them from a sponsorship opportunity 14:13:44 :) 14:13:51 I haven't read Buzzy's report yet. 14:14:21 The lanyard decision was made for this past and future conferences 14:14:29 I believe they were either purchased by/at the will of EOB or Equinox... 14:14:36 EOB purchased them 14:14:50 thanks...was just gonna ask you for clarification. 14:14:55 Equinox is "housing" and shipping them as needed. 14:15:38 ok. doesn't affect the budget for 2016 much. 14:15:55 bshum? You see anything else conference related that we should talk about? 14:16:00 2015 conference, that is. 14:16:32 Not at this time. 14:16:50 But I reserve the right to recall this witness. 14:17:26 I think we definitely need to have it in the minutes to thank Buzzy and the Oregon crew. It was a great time from my perspective and I had a lot to report back to my board...which is a good thing. 14:17:46 bshum++ 14:17:51 buzzy++ 14:17:53 bmills++ 14:17:58 bmills++ 14:17:59 buzzy++ 14:18:05 bacon++ 14:18:08 buzzy++ 14:18:16 bmills++ 14:18:22 Indeed, they did great work. 14:18:40 Alrighty, if nothing else for now on this subject, we'll move along. 14:18:56 #topic Financial Summary Report 14:19:02 #info http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001059.html 14:19:09 A note on this one... 14:19:42 The last income entries here were for some final registrations for the conference ending in May. 14:19:58 There's an outstanding question about some of the targeted outreach funds 14:20:13 * rfrasur listens intently. 14:20:45 kmlussier was working on this last, and we may defer some of that to the Outreach Committee update later in this agenda. 14:21:50 So, I have a couple questions...or ten (sorry) so that I'm up to speed on things) 14:22:02 rfrasur: Sure :) 14:22:29 1. Thanks to bshum for answering, in quick succession, the several emails I sent him already on this. 14:22:39 Related, rfrasur++ for asking me some questions yesterday and getting me to look more closely at the ledger 14:23:07 2. So, I broke all this stuff out into a spreadsheet so that I could make sure I was understanding it correctly. 14:23:43 enough numbered list. There's some things I don't understand. Where is the line item that shows how much we pay the conservancy (and these aren't in order)?\ 14:24:18 (I got this to balance within a penny...but something's up. Maybe a rounding diff between Ledger and Excel?) 14:26:02 Anyone got a handle on how what we pay to the Conservancy is accounted? 14:26:35 is there a way to get that report with a debit and credit column, otherwise need to do what Ruth is doing 14:27:02 tspindler: I'll be glad to send along the spreadsheet I put together. 14:27:04 So, the evergreen ledger file is written in plain text. 14:27:19 (and note I am still not an expert in this type of accounting, or any accounting at all) 14:27:49 Hold on...I'll get a link for y'all. It's a little easier to see in spreadsheet form. 14:28:20 But let's say a transaction gets logged like, http://pastie.org/private/e4z9buuy0gytrtshdrdzvw (which contains some redacted values) 14:28:39 So each entry contains an "income:evergreen..." something line. 14:28:45 Hopefully this works https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/348671/EOB/financial_reconciliation_2015_06_17.xlsx 14:28:52 And also an "Income:Conservancy:Donations" line 14:29:00 Which yields the percentage given to them 14:29:14 (I think that particular entry is from 2011 and before we brought it up to 10%) 14:29:15 Thanks rfrasur, i can do it easy enough. I just wasn't sure if it could be out put in some other way than plain text. 14:29:15 Okay...so that's what the donations are. That was a question I had as well. 14:29:34 Do I need to request access to working/random if I have access to working/evergreen ? 14:29:41 tspindler: I have no doubt...just no need to reinvent if you don't need to. 14:30:04 tspindler: My understanding is that there's lots of ways of interacting with the ledger file using the ledger-cli application. 14:30:12 But I'm not familiar with all the different commands possible. 14:30:27 Stompro: There's an EOB meeting in-progress, but hang on to your question :) 14:31:26 So, actually rfrasur, the "donation" line in our summary is ours 14:31:34 So, donations seems, in my mind, to be listed as income... 14:31:44 The command filters only to find all "Income|Expense|Unearned Income related to "Evergreen" 14:31:57 If I run another command for "Conservancy", I get different income for them. 14:32:06 thanks bshum, this is enough i don't want to belabor that piece 14:32:08 That likely isn't counted among our assets. 14:32:26 formating of repot that is 14:32:55 tspindler: Perhaps what we can do is ask our wonderful Conservancy representative to contact them to ask them for additional methods of formatting contents from the report. 14:33:00 * bshum eyes csharp 14:33:08 the numbers seem reasonable to me 14:33:09 sure - whatever you want 14:33:15 And maybe rfrasur can also pass along specific questions on that front to csharp 14:33:33 yeah - was about to ask for specifics, but that doesn't have to take up meeting time 14:33:39 Well, I can I just state my concern? I'm not sure that I have a question at this point. 14:34:26 My concern is that this financial report doesn't give us a complete picture as is. And that's not a dig against a person or entity. Just a statement. 14:35:21 In the spreadsheet that I put together to run the numbers, I had to add "miscellaneous" categories that I'm assuming are there...but not included. And if that's the case...what's the miscellaneous? 14:35:44 So, I dunno csharp, can you parse some usable questions out of my concerns? 14:36:20 rfrasur: I thought about that more last night and I wonder if maybe the reason there's not a specific sub-lineitem for each broken out category is just that the text isn't written that way. 14:36:47 meaning that while some expenses get tagged "Conferences:Venue:Food", some are just "Conference:Venue" for example. 14:36:53 and not given further clarifications. 14:36:59 rfrasur: want to craft an email with your specific questions and then send it to me and probably bshum? 14:37:07 bshum, that could very well be...and, if so, there needs to be some clean up. 14:37:13 Or to the EOB list? 14:37:23 graced++ # yeah, that's better ;-) 14:37:25 To the EOB list sounds fine to me. We can all digest and consider it. 14:37:41 csharp: graced: EOB list. It'll take me a little while. As in a day or so. 14:37:48 rfrasur++ 14:37:54 I agree that cleanup of the ledger would be nice. 14:38:11 I still don't know what to make of "Unearned Income" that lingers forever. 14:38:16 I just know that I looked at it and thought "If I had to show this to my library board, I'd freak." 14:38:49 Okay, so... 14:38:52 That's all I have at this point on that then, I think. 14:38:54 action item time! 14:39:32 #action rfrasur to draft request for details and clarification for Financial Summary / Evergreen Ledger to send to EOB list 14:39:48 bshum: in accounting terms, unearned income relates to revenue generated but no service or product provided, I don't kno why it is there. 14:39:49 bshum++ #on it 14:39:52 #help EOB members to assist in review and communicate concerns to Conservancy. 14:40:27 rfrasur++ # thanks for asking the good questions, we'll sort this out :) 14:40:36 Anything else on financials for now, before we move on? 14:40:44 (My kids HATE when I ask the "good questions") 14:41:22 rfrasur++ 14:41:24 Okay then 14:41:27 #topic Evergreen 2.9 Release Manager's Report 14:41:39 * bshum thanks Dyrcona in advance 14:42:04 * rfrasur resists cheering for Dyrcona but then types about resisting. 14:42:20 There is not much to report, yet. 14:43:14 The dates have been added to the developers' Google calendar. 14:44:08 And, I've put up a public roadmap that anyone can add to: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap 14:44:41 #info 2.9 public roadmap that anyone can add to: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap 14:45:18 Cool deal 14:45:31 Any quick questions for Dyrcona before we move on. 14:45:38 Dyrcona++ # taking on the RM mantle 14:45:49 Dyrcona ++ 14:45:52 And good luck to him and all the devs and contributors as the next phase begins. 14:45:58 Dyrcona++ 14:45:59 Dyrcona++ 14:46:08 Dyrcona++ 14:46:10 Dyrcona++ 14:46:11 Dyrcona++ 14:46:33 Okay then 14:46:43 #topic Evergreen Outreach Update 14:46:51 kmlussier sent out an email on this. 14:47:01 #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001062.html 14:47:17 Yes, I wasn't going to provide much of an update beyond the email, but since bshum mentioned it... 14:47:17 in there is a call for action to appoint additional members 14:48:06 I am waiting to hear on donations for the Outreach program. I did hear that we received a donation on the day it was announced, but the ledger doesn't reflect this income. 14:48:27 I'm guessing they are behind in adding those donations to the ledger, but I'm still waiting for some confirmation on that guess. 14:48:43 They referring to the Conservancy? 14:48:49 Otherwise, the program is going well and we're almost ready to show off Evergree at ALA! 14:49:05 rfrasur: Yes. 14:49:07 k 14:49:44 Thanks kmlussier, keep us posted on that with Conservancy, and if we should rope in csharp if it gets to become a longer discussion than "oops, we'll get those missing entries added soon" 14:50:03 And good luck! Wish I was going to ALA to help :) 14:50:33 If anyone does know an Evergreener going to ALA, please encourage them to volunteer! I'm happy to buddy up with somebody. 14:50:48 I'm going to open a quick poll to approve the additional volunteer names that kmlussier listed in her email for joining the committee? 14:51:51 #startvote Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee? Yes, no, abstain 14:51:51 Begin voting on: Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee? Valid vote options are Yes, no, abstain. 14:51:51 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:52:00 yes 14:52:01 #vote Yes 14:52:06 #vote yes 14:52:06 #vote yes 14:52:07 #vote Yes 14:52:08 #vote Yes 14:52:10 #vote yes 14:52:10 #vote yes 14:52:11 #vote abstain 14:52:22 Okay 14:52:31 #endvote 14:52:31 Voted on "Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee?" Results are 14:52:31 Yes (7): tspindler, abneiman, graced, csharp, bshum, sherbert, yboston 14:52:31 abstain (1): rfrasur 14:52:31 Hmm 14:52:34 there we go. 14:53:03 #info Board voted to approve additions of Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to the Outreach Committee. 14:53:09 Thanks, and good luck to all. 14:53:24 Anything else for kmlussier, etc. before we move on? 14:53:34 kmlussier++ 14:53:46 kmlussier++ 14:53:54 kmlussier++ 14:53:59 kmlussier 14:54:00 kmlussier++ 14:54:06 er kmlussier++ 14:54:18 kmlussier++ 14:54:19 kmlussier++ 14:54:21 Okay then 14:54:32 kmlussier++ #and the rest of the outreach committee 14:54:39 kmlussier++ 14:54:43 we're on to new business now 14:54:49 With only 5 minutes left in this hour 14:54:52 So we'll try to make this quick 14:54:54 #topic EG2016 Conference Updates 14:55:09 I saw tprokrym was in the channel earlier, and apologies to you that I didn't pre-contact you 14:55:15 Thanks for coming along anyways. 14:55:43 What I'll generally propose for future meetings is to slot in 2016 updates in place of previous updates (obviously) 14:55:55 i sent budget to grace and sponsorship descriptions. Tony/Karen are signing contract with sheraton today. 14:55:57 sorry all, I have to leave now :-/ 14:56:08 Thanks csharp, enjoy the rest of PGCon 14:56:12 bshum: thanks 14:56:16 see ya csharp and thank you 14:56:30 tprokrym++ 14:56:34 tprokrym++ Awesome! 14:56:46 tprokrym++ 14:56:56 tprokrym++ 14:56:59 So the venue is selected already? 14:57:08 fyi -- johnnie pippin will join this meeting as my backup. 14:57:16 Has the EOB voted to approve the conference budget? 14:57:27 not yet 14:57:27 * bshum doesn't remember seeing anything on that. 14:57:37 yes. If that is ok. Tony has been talking with the Sheraton. They provided the best deal; they were used by Code4lib a few years ago. 14:57:52 tprokrym++ 14:58:06 so was that out of order? 14:58:14 Tanya sent it to me yesterday and I have a few quick things I want to suggest to her before I forward the budget for a vote 14:58:15 Perhaps 14:58:23 It'll probably be okay. 14:58:32 graced: Sounds good to me. 14:58:33 There was a pressing need to move on the venue quickly, though. 14:59:00 yes. they are not going to hold the space past next Monday. 14:59:08 And it's my bad for holding up the budget with Tanya. 14:59:11 graced: Is the budget pretty much in line with previous ones? 14:59:25 The budget looks great. I'm very happy with it overall. 14:59:28 tprokrym: graced: Once you guys have had a chance to poke and prod at the budget a bit more, it'd be great if you could send it on to the EOB list for consumption. We can discuss/vote online as necessary. 14:59:39 Will do. 15:00:02 #action tprokrym and graced to send on new EG2016 Conference budget to EOB list. 15:00:08 I think, this is probably an extenuating circumstance because of the venue timeline, but as a matter of order in the future, the budget should be approved before contracts are signed. 15:00:17 rfrasur: Agreed :\ 15:01:02 tprokrym, does that also mean there's a date? 15:01:20 much like csharp, I also have to pumpkin. Sorry folks. 15:01:24 yes; april 20-23,2016. I think that could be changed if necessary. 15:01:46 graced: thank you :-) 15:02:10 Cool deal. 15:02:25 a bit close to patriots day ;) 15:02:31 Any other quick questions for tprokrym before we move on? (I know it's the beginning of the process, so wish you guys good luck and help from all) 15:03:33 tspindler: I don't think most people outside of MA know what Patriot's Day is. :) 15:03:38 Okay then, thanks. 15:03:40 I will work through grace...better next time. 15:03:43 (we know...we ignore) 15:04:01 tprokrym: Thanks! and I'll be sure to send better reminders to everyone too 15:04:07 Okay 15:04:10 tprokrym: Very seriously, thank you for all the work so far. It's exciting to have a venue/date so early. 15:04:24 #topic Social phone conference call for EOB members 15:04:33 sherbert asked about this 15:04:55 I'm down for it. 15:04:55 were you thinking of a conference call instead of chat for a meeting? 15:05:09 Just wondering if others on EOB would like to have a brief meet and greet by conference call sometime in next few weeks? 15:05:31 I think her idea was for something semi-unofficial, not business related per say. 15:05:32 I know many of you, but has been some time since we've chatted or seen one another 15:05:43 Maybe a Google Hangout? 15:05:52 I'm fine with it. Just need to plan around ALA 15:05:58 definitely no EOB business, just social 15:06:15 we can push off until after ALA 15:06:27 I am interested 15:06:27 sherbert: If it's okay with you, I'd like to give you an action item to help organize this through the EOB list. I might recommend setting up a poll or something after ALA to find a good date / venue. 15:06:41 If not, I'll make yboston help :) 15:06:44 will do 15:06:49 I was going to volunteer to assist 15:06:51 :) 15:06:58 Awesome, you both get on the action then 15:07:13 cool, thx yboston 15:07:32 Who else is going to ALA? 15:07:34 #action sherbert, yboston to organize a social conference call for EOB members to meet informally and chat. 15:08:04 I think it's a great idea and something we should consider doing in the future for new board members who couldn't all make it to conference or whatnots. 15:08:07 sherbert++ 15:08:14 sherbert++ 15:08:26 sherbert++ 15:08:31 Okay, any other new business before we conclude today? 15:08:44 (so much for being what I thought would be a short meeting...) 15:08:53 (but I'm glad we got some good discussion in) 15:09:14 Thanks all, and bshum++ 15:09:16 Okay, with thanks and regards to all. 15:09:28 #topic Next meeting: July 16, 2015 @ 2:00 pm Eastern 15:09:44 We can shift that if needed, but that's the next regularly scheduled time. 15:09:49 Thanks everyone! 15:10:07 bshum++ 15:10:13 * rfrasur is off to library. 15:10:17 #endmeeting