14:00:02 <bshum> #startmeeting 2015-09-17 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting 14:00:02 <pinesol_green> Meeting started Thu Sep 17 14:00:02 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is bshum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:02 <pinesol_green> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:02 <pinesol_green> The meeting name has been set to '2015_09_17___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting' 14:00:24 <bshum> #link agenda http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-September/001116.html 14:00:38 <bshum> I didn't get to formally put it to wiki, but I'll link to the reminder email for now. 14:00:40 <bshum> Let's see who's here. 14:00:45 <bshum> #topic Introductions 14:00:52 <bshum> #info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation 14:00:57 <yboston> #info yboston - Berklee college of music - EOB 14:00:58 <rfrasur> #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Public Library, Evergreen Indiana, EOB member 14:01:26 <tanyap> #tanyap is Tanya Prokrym, SLNC, NC Cardinal 14:01:37 <montgoc1> #info montgoc1 is Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries 14:01:51 <tanyap> #info tanyap is Tanya Prokrym SLNC 14:02:39 <bshum> csharp told me he had a conflict with another meeting, so he probably won't make it. 14:03:12 <rfrasur> I saw tspindler log in. 14:03:12 <yboston> BTW, I'll need to leave early 14:03:20 <bshum> And sherbertbc too 14:03:30 <bshum> So we probably have enough for quorum anyways. 14:03:33 * tspindler Tim Spindler (CW MARS) 14:03:44 <tspindler> sorry talking budgets and lost track of time 14:03:46 <bshum> yboston: gotcha 14:03:50 <bshum> tspindler: No problemo 14:04:01 <bshum> yboston: We'll probably keep this relatively short. 14:04:14 <yboston> OK 14:04:15 <sherbertbc_> #info sherbertbc = Sharon Herbert, BC Libraries Cooperative 14:04:30 <tspindler> #info Tim Spindler - C/W MARS 14:04:41 <abneiman> #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library 14:04:41 <bshum> I'll keep us going for now then. 14:04:41 <sherbertbc_> having connection problems, sorry 14:04:46 <bshum> #topic Minutes/actions from last meeting - http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-16-14.00.html 14:05:08 <bshum> 1) tspindler will announce a test meeting in the next 2 months to 14:05:08 <bshum> use our GoToWebinar so we can test it and invite other members of the 14:05:08 <bshum> Evergreen community to join if they want. 14:05:17 <bshum> tspindler++ for putting that together 14:05:28 <bshum> And thanks to all of you who participated 14:05:31 <rfrasur> What was the verdict? 14:05:57 <bshum> #info tspindler to test GoToWebinar with other EOB members 14:06:05 <bshum> #info tspindler's results: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-September/001114.html 14:06:06 <tspindler> I think it worked well over all. Gives us some different options if you want to use it 14:06:15 <yboston> I thought it worked well. Might want to test it with more people at once to be safe 14:06:56 <montgoc1> I agree. Seemed like it would be fine. 14:07:06 <yboston> I bet it would be fine 14:07:19 <abneiman> I'm on record before but I like the audio convo better than IRC, I'm more comfortable speaking extemporaneously than typing. Agree on testing with more members. 14:07:34 <rfrasur> And, was the idea that it supports voice and it's recordable? 14:07:49 <tspindler> rfrasur: yes 14:08:00 * rfrasur is just restating for the log. 14:08:22 <bshum> Okay, well maybe as the next experiment we could schedule our October meeting with the tool and see how it works out. The biggest question I'll have is how it handles if more than just EOB members sit in (like if more community members wanted to listen in / participate) 14:08:23 <montgoc1> abneiman: same here. 14:08:29 <tspindler> it records the onscreen display and voice but not video images of participants 14:08:32 <yboston> though it made me think about IRC meetings, that when I lead a meeting I need to continue to give folks a chance to write out reponses, since not everyone is a fast typicst 14:08:59 <yboston> (of course I have gotten faster as my grammar and spelling has gotten worse) 14:09:08 <tspindler> bshum: if we use GoToWebinar, I think make the board panelists and the community members attendees 14:09:16 <rfrasur> Will there be an issue with hosting what I'd assume are significantly larger files for the recorded meetings? 14:09:38 <yboston> rfrasur: excelent question 14:09:40 <rfrasur> And is there a way to transcribe the audio other than and stenographer? 14:09:43 <tspindler> good point, it does create some large files 14:09:48 <rfrasur> s/and/an 14:10:09 <bshum> tspindler: Seems logical to me. 14:10:12 <sherbertbc_> assume we'd still need to keep minutes to summarize discussions, track actions 14:10:16 <rfrasur> Just things to think about. I'm in no way opposed. 14:10:28 <rfrasur> sherbertbc_, absolutely. 14:10:34 <yboston> if we don't record video the files will be smaller, but we might have to take time to intruduce our names during the meeting 14:10:51 <montgoc1> Yes. IRC does make it easy to search for information since it includes all conversation and not summaries. 14:10:53 <rfrasur> As it stands right now, however, a bot takes the minutes. 14:11:15 <graced_> #info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox 14:11:22 <graced_> sorry I'm late! 14:11:27 <rfrasur> welcome, Grace. All is well. 14:11:35 <bshum> Well csharp isn't here to speak in his role as board secretary, but I imagine he would be willing to help curate notes for the meeting trial. 14:11:53 <yboston> bshum: I agree 14:11:56 <rfrasur> We're discussing the GoToMeeting trial...and the implications to using it for meetings from time to time. 14:12:01 <bshum> I just noticed that I didn't mark an actual date for the next meeting, but according to the calendar it's October 15. 14:12:26 <bshum> Do we have general interest in making that a trial date to host an audio meeting? 14:12:32 <graced_> thanks rfrasur! 14:12:44 <tspindler> That date works for me 14:12:45 <rfrasur> Let's shoot for October if all are amenable. 14:12:52 <montgoc1> Sure. 14:13:08 <sherbertbc_> I'm n/a Oct 15, our annual all staff, but go ahead w/o me! 14:13:39 <bshum> tspindler: Along the way, for those of us who weren't part of the original trial (me, for example, I'm such a slacker), I wonder if we could ask you to help set up another test in between now and then. 14:13:42 <abneiman> 10/15 should be OK with me 14:13:47 <yboston> that date works for me 14:13:49 <bshum> And we can do a dry run so to speak of the board procedures. 14:14:14 <bshum> #agreed Next EOB meeting October 15 to try as audio meeting via GoToWebinar. 14:14:15 <tspindler> bshum: i think i could squeeze a date in, I may just have to schedule it and hope it works 14:14:16 <rfrasur> +1 14:14:35 <bshum> tspindler: That'd be fine, and I will hopefully find myself available this time around. 14:14:38 <tspindler> how is the week of October 5 for a test run? 14:15:08 <bshum> tspindler: Depends on the day of the week for me. 14:15:11 <rfrasur> That Monday, Thursday, or Friday are fine. 14:15:30 <tspindler> I could set up for Thursday, October 8 at 2PM EST if that works for a test for anyone 14:15:32 <bshum> Thursday or Friday afternoon work for me 14:15:41 <bshum> I think there's an academics meeting on that Thursday 14:15:45 <sherbertbc_> Mon or Fri 14:15:48 <bshum> For Evergreen academics interest group 14:15:56 <abneiman> I'm hit or miss (getting a new circ desk that week) but pick a day/time and I'll try to work it in 14:16:29 <tspindler> 4PM EST on October 8? 14:16:49 <bshum> Alternatively, maybe we allott an extra 20 minutes or so before the 2 pm regular time on October 15 to work out initial technical setup/issues 14:17:04 <tspindler> bshum: that might make more sense. 14:17:10 <rfrasur> I like that idea. 14:17:14 <montgoc1> Me too. 14:17:22 <bshum> You know, practice before we hit "record" 14:17:27 <bshum> "EOB meeting, take 1..." 14:17:49 <bshum> If that's a better idea, let's try to pencil that into the schedule. 14:17:58 <abneiman> I'm more in favor of practicing pre-meeting on the 15th 14:18:17 <rfrasur> So...maybe 1:30 p.m. with the meeting to begin at regular time? 14:18:22 <bshum> rfrasur: +1 14:18:30 <abneiman> rfrasur: +1 14:18:30 <tspindler> rfrasur: +1 14:18:47 <montgoc1> rfrasur: +1 14:19:03 <bshum> #info Pre-meeting practice for GoToWebinar to occur at 1:30 pm Eastern on October 15 prior to the regular EOB meeting. 14:19:24 <bshum> Cool deal, thanks all, and hopefully we get some good feedback on how that next meeting's test goes via audio. 14:19:34 <bshum> Anything further on that for now? 14:19:38 <rfrasur> And tspindler, you send out the join link? 14:19:48 <tspindler> rfrasur: yes, I'll do that 14:19:56 <rfrasur> tspindler++ 14:20:07 <bshum> tspindler++ indeed. 14:20:15 <bshum> Okay, 2) past action item 14:20:27 <bshum> yboston will follow up with bshum and gmcharlt to review what commnads are being used to get reports from cli-ledger and ask if the SFS has any recommendations for different commands 14:20:40 <bshum> Presumably Conservancy, not SFS :) 14:21:03 <yboston> I did not work on this, would need to defer to newxt meeting 14:21:04 <rfrasur> Again, tspindler++ for putting that into an xlsx 14:21:12 <bshum> I'd like to table this action item because there'll be something we're bringing up in New Business regarding the ledger reading 14:21:33 <rfrasur> bshum +1 14:21:37 <yboston> that is fine by me 14:21:40 <bshum> #info yboston's action item for cli-ledger is deferred to later in the meeting. 14:21:47 <bshum> #topic EG 2016 Conference Update 14:21:56 <bshum> tanyap: Thanks for coming! 14:22:07 <tanyap> we are working on several categories right now; 14:22:35 <rfrasur> tanyap, can you confirm the dates? 14:22:42 <tanyap> we just finished the sponsorship packet and grace reviewed it so we are ready to go 'a sponsoring'. 14:22:56 <tanyap> conference is april 20 - 23, 2016. 14:23:26 <tanyap> we are waiting on Eventbrite for registration (Tony from SFC is working on this). 14:23:53 <tanyap> We have our call for proposals written but are working on our pre-conference descriptions. 14:24:12 <tanyap> We are waiting to hear from our keynote speaker request. 14:24:32 <tanyap> We hope to open registration and call for proposals by end of sept. 14:24:48 <bshum> Excellent! 14:25:11 <graced_> tanyap++ 14:25:19 <tanyap> i have two questions. 14:25:37 <tanyap> 1. should we wait for the call for proposals until registration is ready? 14:26:02 <rfrasur> Nope. 14:26:18 <bshum> No, I think you can go ahead with proposal call as soon as you're ready. 14:26:20 <graced_> I would say no, as well. 14:26:29 <abneiman> no strong opinion on that one 14:26:33 <montgoc1> I personally think having proposals first helps build excitement about the conference. 14:26:38 <rfrasur> and tanyap++, btw. Y'all are on top of things. 14:26:44 * bshum agrees with montgoc1 14:26:59 <bshum> But sometimes time doesn't afford us all that 14:27:01 <tanyap> thank you! 14:27:01 <sherbertbc_> montgoc1: agreed, many will wait to register until they see program 14:27:11 <bshum> And some of us are bad at submitting program ideas :) 14:27:31 <graced_> And many of us will be there no matter what. :) 14:27:47 <rfrasur> Yeah, I think the earlier you can get out the call for proposals, the better. 14:27:54 <tanyap> hah! 14:27:55 <rfrasur> graced_++ too true 14:28:15 <bshum> tanyap: What's your second question? :) 14:28:28 <tanyap> my second question was about exhibitors but i can ask grace later if necessary. i didn't know when they set up/ broke down. 14:29:05 <graced_> tanyap: I can help you figure that out based on your space and the times. 14:29:16 <graced_> No one should need more than a few hours. 14:29:23 <tanyap> ok. thanks. 14:29:50 <bshum> Cool, cool. graced++ # experience! 14:30:17 <bshum> anything else for this topic? Or questions? 14:30:26 <tanyap> just fyi - we are looking at keynote speakers that can talk about the next decade because of our theme. and I think that is it unless you have questions. 14:30:26 <graced_> tanyap++ (it bears repeating) 14:30:47 <rfrasur> agreed tanyap++ 14:30:49 <bshum> tanyap++ 14:30:50 <montgoc1> tanyap++ 14:31:03 * rfrasur will be plugging the conference tomorrow...and am now more confident. 14:31:23 <abneiman> tanyap++ great job you & the rest of the committee! I'm looking forward to it. 14:31:51 <tanyap> thank you. i have a great group of people behind me. 14:32:00 <sherbertbc_> tanyap++ 14:32:22 <yboston> tanyap++ 14:32:35 <bshum> Okay, moving on for now 14:32:37 <bshum> #topic Financial Report 14:32:44 <yboston> BTW, I need to leave early and work on a server migration and a meeting 14:32:50 <bshum> #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-September/001117.html 14:33:10 <bshum> yboston: Thanks for coming, and I'll make sure to volunteer you for everything once you're gone ;) 14:33:11 <rfrasur> yboston++ thank you for the time you could be here. 14:33:43 <bshum> Mostly as I noted in the email, between last time and now were just updates to the ledger for final expenses. 14:34:20 <bshum> Unless there's a specific question on that, I'll move us along in the agenda because we're going to talk more about the ledger later in new business. 14:34:34 <tspindler> bshum: maybe this was answered at the last meeting but at the top there is Evergreen Expenses: 202,000 14:34:50 <tspindler> I'm assuming that is not a total of all expenses but something else? 14:35:06 <bshum> tspindler: Okay, well 14:35:17 <bshum> That is total expenses listed in the ledger, yes. 14:35:42 <bshum> So you add Expenses + Income + Unearned Income to get the final tally 14:35:50 <tspindler> because the column from banking fees to tradmark adds up to 456,180 14:36:09 <bshum> tspindler: Right, you can't straight add all the sub entries. 14:36:25 <bshum> You have to look at how the indents work in the summary 14:36:47 <bshum> For example, under Expenses, Sales Tax, there's CA and MA 14:36:55 <bshum> You add CA + MA = the total line by Sales Tax 14:37:09 <tspindler> i see, it was not clear to me, I understand now. 14:37:27 <bshum> Yeah, the indents dont' display as nicely in certain email clients. 14:37:49 <tspindler> not in gmail, which is what I looked at it in 14:37:51 <rfrasur> It doesn't look much different than it did in August. And, just to clarify..a negative is actually income 14:37:51 <bshum> The linked page has a better breakdown based on the space indents 14:38:05 <bshum> rfrasur: Yeah that gets me every time that negative is a good thing :) 14:38:38 <rfrasur> It's worth repeating in case someone new is reading the financials. 14:38:42 <bshum> rfrasur++ 14:39:01 <bshum> Okay 14:39:05 <bshum> #topic Evergreen 2.9 Release Manager Report 14:39:11 <rfrasur> I'm not sure about the historic numbers, but it seems like all is in good stead. 14:39:49 <bshum> Dyrcona++ # 2.9.0! 14:40:01 <rfrasur> Dyrcona++ 14:40:05 <tspindler> Dyrcona++ 14:40:06 <montgoc1> Dyrcona++ 14:40:20 <graced_> Dyrcona++ 14:40:38 <bshum> #link 2.9.0 release announcement blog post: http://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-2-9-0-released/ 14:40:48 <abneiman> Dyrcona++ 14:40:56 <bshum> I'm not sure Dyrcona is here actually. But I'll link to the blog post for the notes. 14:41:16 <bshum> Maybe we'll ask him to write up a summary from his viewpoint of 2.9 release process later. 14:41:44 * bshum waits another beat 14:42:22 <bshum> #topic New Business 14:43:25 <bshum> #info kmlussier forwarded an email by interested parties to develop a web-based view of the ledger data for Conservancy projects. 14:43:50 <bshum> kmlussier: You got two seconds to give folks some background? 14:44:26 * rfrasur listens 14:44:36 <kmlussier> bshum: I don't have much more background than you do. There is a person from the Sandstorm project who is interested in doing a web-based view of the ledger software the Conservancy works with. 14:45:31 <kmlussier> bkuhn thought the Evergreen project would be a good fit for the project. Several of the other Conservancy projects don't pay as much attention to the financials as we do, I guess. 14:45:50 <graced_> So... they want money? development time? or what? 14:45:53 <rfrasur> I think this sounds very intriguing. 14:46:08 <kmlussier> graced_: They don't want anything from us. They have a volunteer who wants to do the development. 14:46:27 <kmlussier> They just want to use us a guinea pigs. 14:46:37 <bshum> Feedback I gathered. 14:46:38 <kmlussier> *as* guinea pigs 14:46:47 <graced_> kmlussier: how would the data be protected/available? 14:47:03 <graced_> Or do we not have those details yet? 14:47:06 <kmlussier> graced_: I've pretty much reported all I know. 14:47:29 <kmlussier> I'm not on the EOB anymore, so I forwarded it to responsible parties. :) 14:47:30 <graced_> fair enough - it's worth talking to them to find out some more info 14:47:34 <bshum> graced_: I think that's an important question, I just wanted to bring it to the attention that we got tapped to participate. 14:47:50 <bshum> *attention of EOB 14:47:57 <graced_> If they include a toggle to turn the negatives into positives and vice versa I might get giddy. ;-) 14:48:08 <rfrasur> agree with graced_. I think it's definitely worth finding more information. 14:48:17 <abneiman> graced_++ agreed, need those questions answered. And on the neg-to-pos, drives me nuts :) 14:48:30 <bshum> What I'd like to do is begin a discussion with the contact from their project and figure out how we proceed. 14:48:55 <bshum> Just how, for now, since we have questions like the security of the data. 14:48:59 <rfrasur> And, it might be nice to expose Evergreen to people in another project. Networking is rarely a bad thing. 14:49:23 <graced_> bshum: sounds good. I assume we should send you a list of any questions/concerns we have? 14:49:47 <bshum> graced_: Sure, I'd be happy to take those with me when we initiate the discussion. 14:50:04 <graced_> excellent 14:50:05 <bshum> And I'll likely look for volunteers later to gather feedback. 14:50:38 <graced_> consider me volunteering in advance 14:50:55 <rfrasur> me too 14:51:23 <bshum> Excellent. 14:52:14 <bshum> #info bshum and yboston to discuss further details and collect more information on how the project will be initiated for web-based ledger viewing. 14:52:28 <bshum> Anything else for New Business? Or any other topics for discussion today? 14:53:11 <rfrasur> Not this month. Not from me. 14:53:17 <graced_> not from me 14:53:25 <tspindler> the fed kept interest rates the same, no change from me 14:53:34 <bshum> Hehe 14:53:36 <bshum> Okay, then. 14:53:38 * rfrasur chuckles 14:53:47 <bshum> Thanks for coming everyone, and we'll meet again next month, via audio. 14:53:52 <bshum> #endmeeting