14:00:11 <dluch> #startmeeting 2019-08-01 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting 14:00:11 <pinesol> Meeting started Thu Aug 1 14:00:11 2019 US/Eastern. The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:11 <pinesol> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:11 <pinesol> The meeting name has been set to '2019_08_01___documentation_interest_group_meeting' 14:00:33 <dluch> #info The agenda can be found here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20190801-agenda 14:00:34 <dluch> Welcome everyone! Today's meeting will be collaboration and working on documentation, with a focus on cataloging documentation. 14:00:45 <dluch> #topic Introductions 14:00:52 <dluch> Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent. 14:01:00 <dluch> #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS - DIG meeting facilitator 14:01:24 <abneiman> #info abneiman is Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox 14:01:27 <cmalm> #info cmalm is Carissa Malmgren, Roanoke Public Library 14:01:31 <kcoleman> #info kcoleman is Kate Coleman, Jefferson County Library Technical Services Managers (Missouri Evergreen) 14:01:48 <jihpringle> #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) 14:01:50 <tkatie217> #info tkatie217 is Katie Greenleaf Martin, blair co library system in PA (SPARK/PaILS) 14:02:00 <bjwillis> #info bjwillis is Beth Willis, North of Boston Library Exchange, Inc, Cataloging Librarian 14:02:19 <alynn26_> #info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd Anderson County Library, SCLends 14:03:15 <bjwillis> #info North of Boston Library Exchange (aka NOBLE), part of MassLNC 14:05:11 <dluch> Thank you all for coming! If you pop in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive. 14:05:27 <dluch> #topic Ongoing Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration 14:05:34 <dluch> #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs 14:05:39 <cschroth> #info cschroth is Chrisy Schroth, Kenton County Public Library, Asst Cataloger and Serials Coordinator 14:05:45 <dluch> There are LOTS of documentation needs and several that have been identified as easy tasks for new folks. 14:05:47 <ipatrick> #info ipatrick is Irene Patrick State Library of NC, part of NC Cardinal 14:05:56 <dluch> #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants 14:06:03 <dluch> If anyone would like to fill a particular role, please feel free to volunteer! 14:06:14 <dluch> Welcome! 14:06:34 <dluch> #topic Business 14:06:45 <dluch> #info We will catch up on action items and other business at the September meeting 14:06:53 <dluch> That said, is there anything pressing anyone needs to bring up? 14:07:35 <abneiman> dluch: just noting that I asked gmcharlt about Equinox providing a 3.4 test server for docs purposes, and we will be able to do that around 3.4-beta time 14:08:01 <alynn26_> That's going to be handy. 14:08:10 <dluch> Excellent! Thanks, abneiman! And thanks gmcharlt! 14:08:12 <dluch> abneiman++ 14:08:18 <dluch> gmcharlt++ 14:08:31 <tkatie217> I can ask this on the list as well - but I was wondering if someone could do builds of the individual manuals (circulation, cataloging, etc) for 3.3? Dan Scott did the whole one but I'd love to have it broken out so I can use that in upgrade training :) 14:10:09 <dluch> Can anyone who's been active since we've been breaking out the manuals speak to this question? abneiman, sandbergja, alynn26, remingtron? 14:11:43 <alynn26_> rsoulliere usually handles this, he is currently on sabbatical. 14:12:23 <abneiman> no, sorry, I am no help here - though this does raise the issue of perhaps we should have a DIG backup to rsoulliere 14:12:31 <tkatie217> I'll send Dan a note and ask. And when rsoulliere is back he'll update the docs.evergreen-ils.org site 14:12:50 <sandbergja> #info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College, running late 14:12:57 <dluch> Thanks, alynn26. tkatie217, you may have to wait until rsoulliere gets back and I will also add for after that time that we maybe need another person who can do this 14:13:02 <alynn26_> Sometime in September from what I understand. 14:13:13 <dluch> Lol, yes, abneiman! +1 to a DIG backup 14:13:29 <alynn26_> +1 for a backup. 14:13:36 <dbs> #info dbs is Dan Scott, Laurentian 14:13:39 <tkatie217> thanks dluch :) sounds good. 14:14:05 <dbs> tkatie217: I can give the broken-out manuals a shot 14:14:05 <dluch> Alrighty, moving on... 14:14:14 <dluch> Thanks, dbs! 14:14:21 <sandbergja> dbs++ 14:14:32 <dluch> dbs++ 14:14:37 <tkatie217> merci, dbs 14:14:46 <alynn26_> dbs++ 14:15:10 <abneiman> dbs++ 14:15:56 <dluch> #action DIG will get a backup person(s) for future docs manual updates 14:16:13 <dluch> #action dbs will give the broken-out manuals a shot :-) 14:16:32 <dluch> #topic Collaboration time - Cataloging Focused! 14:16:40 <dluch> #info abneiman and I led a training on Tuesday about DIG and IRC for the Cataloging Working Group. Thanks, jweston, for organizing everything, and welcome to any new folks from CWG! 14:16:50 <dluch> #info Here's the link to the notes: http://bit.ly/2YiEb5Z 14:16:57 <dluch> #info Here's the link to the recording: http://bit.ly/2MyXIYr 14:17:05 <dluch> #info Both can also be found on the CWG wiki: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=cataloging 14:17:12 <dluch> abneiman++ 14:17:17 <dluch> jweston++ 14:17:52 <dluch> What is everyone planning to work on today? Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other. If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes ("#action "), but it's not necessary. 14:18:15 <dluch> New folks, this is a great time to ask questions or to take some set-aside time to begin reviewing cataloging documentation, as discussed at the webinar Tuesday. 14:18:31 <sandbergja> I'm going to work on reviewing some of the documentation changes here: https://github.com/evergreen-library-system/Evergreen/pulls 14:18:49 <sandbergja> It looks like there are some cataloging-related ones in there! 14:19:12 <dluch> Woot! Thanks, sandbergja! 14:19:15 <abneiman> per remingtron's comment here https://github.com/evergreen-library-system/Evergreen/pull/79#issuecomment-486374774 (and my intention to do it *cough* three months ago), I'm planning to add a commit to those docs with index terms 14:19:18 <cmalm> I've been working on a local cataloging manual for 3.2 that covers I think just about everything. Would it be helpful to submit it to the group? 14:19:54 <sandbergja> cmalm: yes yes yes! 14:20:16 <dluch> abneiman: sounds great! 14:20:16 <abneiman> (btw, jweston sends her regards to DIG, she is on a call and is unable to join today) 14:20:17 <sandbergja> Our documentation about some cataloging topics (like the MARC editor, for instance) are almost non-existant 14:20:44 <sandbergja> So it would be great if we could borrow some of your manual, cmalm 14:20:45 <cmalm> That's partly why I started the one I'm doing, lol 14:20:57 <abneiman> cmalm: that's great! 14:21:03 <dluch> cmalm: Yes!! That would be awesome! 14:22:36 <dluch> It would be especially helpful to check that there isn't anything that's specific to only your local settings/procedures. But anything would be a huge help! 14:22:43 <cmalm> Is emailing it to dluch the best route? It's currently a huge Word doc. 14:22:59 <sandbergja> To Github experts out there (dbs?): how can I get access to close other users' pull requests? 14:23:16 <cmalm> I don't think gsams has changed much locally, but I'll double check! 14:23:45 <dluch> You can definitely email it to me, though sending it to the docs list would be even better. open-ils-documentation@list.georgialibraries.org 14:24:00 <remingtron> sandbergja: I'll check on github 14:24:05 <alynn26_> I'm working on the glossary, I'm looking for terms that need defining. 14:24:15 <sandbergja> remingtron: thanks! 14:24:26 <gsams> We haven't changed much of anything locally with regards to the manual 14:25:53 <alynn26_> For the catalogers, any terms you know that would trick up anyone. 14:26:05 <dluch> Great, alynn26, thanks! Is there any particular area you're needing terms for? Or do you just want people to toss them at you? 14:26:13 <dluch> Lol. Never mind 14:26:47 <cmalm> I've included a short glossary in the manual I'm working on, but definitely feel like I stumbled my way through a few of the definitions, lol 14:27:04 <dbs> tkatie217: all of the manuals are now at http://evergreen-ils.org/~denials/ 14:27:09 <alynn26_> Toss them to me. If you have a definition that would be great. 14:27:51 <tkatie217> lol 'the tarball edition!' thanks dbs ++ 14:28:06 <dluch> dbs++ 14:28:11 <abneiman> dbs++ indeed 14:28:31 <alynn26_> cmalm, send me your glossary, and I'll add them. lfloyd@andersonlibrary.org. 14:28:46 <kcoleman> I was going to look at the Additional fixed fields area that are in the needs page, but the link takes me to the 2.10 release notes. I remember from yesterday dluch saying to work with newest first, so is there somewhere else I should be going? #newb 14:28:49 <cmalm> alynn26_ will do! 14:29:04 <remingtron> sandbergja: I invited you to the EG Core team on Github 14:29:11 <sandbergja> remingtron++ # thanks for giving me keys to the Github kingdom! 14:29:39 <alynn26_> Kcoleman, that may be the most recent. 14:30:07 <dluch> kcoleman: I was actually just about to ask cmalm...does your manual cover that Additional fixed fields (or, really, all the fixed fields) from https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs? 14:30:22 <cmalm> Not yet 14:31:18 <dluch> Then kcoleman, please do! For reviewing the manuals, we suggest starting with the newest, but for unmet docs needs like that one, I'd say start with the oldest, because it's been undocumented the longest! 14:31:52 <jihpringle> kcoleman, cmalm: if it's helpful we have 3.1 docs on the leader, 008 and 007 14:31:54 <jihpringle> http://docs.libraries.coop/sitka/_editing_marc_record_leader_and_fixed_field_008.html 14:32:00 <jihpringle> http://docs.libraries.coop/sitka/_fixed_field_007_physical_characteristics_wizard.html 14:32:26 <dluch> Ooo, excellent. jihpringle++ 14:32:30 <dbs> jihpringle++ 14:32:32 <dbs> sitka++ 14:33:00 <abneiman> sandbergja (or others) - does the placement of index terms in the file matter? i.e. should they go at the top of the page, before the header? or what? 14:33:04 <bjwillis> alynn26: are you including serials-related glossary terms? 14:33:07 * abneiman has never done index terms 14:33:33 <kcoleman> OK, still need my hand held a bit. Do I just start a fresh doc and start documenting these fixed fields (following the style guide)? 14:33:57 <cmalm> jihpringle++ 14:34:36 <kcoleman> Or work off what @jihpringle started? 14:34:45 <dbs> abneiman: generally just under the relevant header, IIRC 14:34:56 <abneiman> dbs: thanks! 14:34:59 <sandbergja> abneiman: they can go anywhere in the page 14:35:02 <dluch> kcoleman: No problem! Since Sitka already has the docs that jihpringle linked above, you can start with those. 14:35:07 <dluch> Lol, yes! 14:35:18 <abneiman> sandbergja: thanks@ 14:35:22 <sandbergja> docs/opac/using_the_public_access_catalog.adoc is a good example 14:35:34 <sandbergja> with So Many Indexterms! 14:36:19 <abneiman> sandbergja: great example, thank you 14:36:35 <dluch> kcoleman: You can review them, see if there's anything you think could/should be added. Or, if they look pretty fine as-is, see if jihpringle and sitka are okay with us adding them into the official docs. 14:36:55 <jihpringle> they can absolutely be added to the official docs 14:36:59 <dluch> :-) 14:37:07 <sandbergja> yboston++ # making such a great example of indexterms in that file 14:37:08 <jihpringle> there may be Sitka specific stuff that needs to be taken out 14:39:36 <pinesol> Showing latest 5 of 7 commits to Evergreen... 14:39:37 <pinesol> [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823367 Ang catalog replace 'Volume' with 'Call Number' - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e1b5a8b> 14:39:38 <pinesol> [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP1823367 Re-fix Copy to Item name changes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3bcffcf> 14:39:39 <pinesol> [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP1823367 Move away from "volume" moniker internally - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=87208fd> 14:39:40 <pinesol> [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823367 Volume moniker migration continued - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=67533c7> 14:39:41 <pinesol> [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1823367: (follow-up) revert renaming of eg.cat.transfer_target_vol - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e4c7118> 14:41:10 <bjwillis> I'm new to DIG and have a question. On the documentation needs page there is a reference to LP #1716473; we don't have this fix on our current release, but I can use a community server to generate screenshots. Is that right? 14:41:11 <pinesol> Launchpad bug 1716473 in Evergreen "Proposal for webstaff UI: Hide fields in copy editor, rather than disabling them" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716473 14:41:44 <dluch> bjwillis: Correct! 14:41:46 <alynn26> bjwillis: that is correct 14:43:28 <dluch> Right now, the newest-version community server is on 3.3.0, so that would probably be the best for screen shots (assuming the fix has been included in that version) 14:43:37 <pinesol> [evergreen|Kristy Bauman] Docs: LP1826263: Update batch_importing_MARC.adoc - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=09389c0> 14:44:26 <bjwillis> dluch: alynn26: OK, thank you. I will make that my first documentation effort. I don't have a WIKI account. Should I request one? 14:44:45 <dluch> Sure! 14:44:58 <sandbergja> tkatie217++ #taking such good notes during the DIG hackfest! 14:45:45 <tkatie217> haha I do <3 notes, sandbergja :) 14:48:24 <abneiman> sandbergja: index terms added, if you're in a mergin' frame of mind https://github.com/evergreen-library-system/Evergreen/pull/79 14:48:32 <dluch> kcoleman: you can also request a wiki account if you want to add yourself as working on the fixed fields ones. Or, if you or bjwillis don't want to do that now, I'll be happy to add you. 14:48:44 <dluch> (add you as working on those items) 14:50:15 <sandbergja> abneiman: exciting! I'll take a look 14:55:34 <abneiman> for the room, am I the last one to learn this? (because I learned it fairly recently, and I don't see it in the docs) - if you type ? in a webclient screen (as long as you don't have cursor focus in an entry box), you will see a list of keyboard shortcuts 14:56:35 <cmalm> I had no idea. That's really neat! 14:56:53 * dluch mind blown 14:57:04 <dbs> abneiman: nope, didn't know that! 14:57:37 <abneiman> alrighty, I'm going to toss up a quick entry in docs to that effect 14:57:49 <bjwillis> dluch: please do add me. I have requested an account for the future. Thanks! 14:58:21 <sandbergja> abneiman: no way! I didn't know that at all 14:58:35 <dbs> (the shortcuts don't seem to work in Firefox on Linux under Gnome but that's probably a Gnome thing) 14:59:42 <dluch> bjwillis: will do! sandbergja: do you have wiki-account-granting powers? 15:00:05 <stephengwills> obviously an unGnome command. 15:00:27 <dbs> correction: ALT+s works, but none of the F-keys do 15:00:40 <dbs> stephengwills++ # and groan 15:01:49 <dbs> dluch: I still have wiki-account-granting-powers 15:02:20 <dluch> Great, dbs! bjwillis just requested an account. 15:02:44 <dluch> We are at time for the DIG. Thanks for all the great work, everyone! Feel free to keep going! 15:02:54 <dluch> Next meeting will be September 5. Same time, same place. Business meeting first then collaboration time. 15:03:03 <dluch> Thanks for coming, everyone! 15:03:10 <bjwillis> Thanks to all for your help getting started! 15:03:26 <dluch> #endmeeting