14:01:44 <dluch> #startmeeting 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting 14:01:44 <pinesol> Meeting started Thu Nov 5 14:01:44 2020 US/Eastern. The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:44 <pinesol> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:44 <pinesol> The meeting name has been set to '2020_11_05___documentation_interest_group_meeting' 14:01:54 <dluch> #topic Agenda 14:02:12 <dluch> #info The agenda can be found here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20201105-agenda 14:02:15 <dluch> Welcome everyone! Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time. 14:02:26 <dluch> #topic Introductions 14:02:27 <dluch> Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent. 14:02:27 <dluch> #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS 14:02:29 <kgmartin> #info kgmartin is Katie Greenleaf Martin, Blair Co/SPARK PA 14:02:36 <abneiman> #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox 14:02:53 <jweston> #info jweston is Jennifer Weston, Equinox 14:04:57 <alynn26> #info alynn26 = Lynn Floyd,Evergreen Indiana 14:05:13 <dluch> Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive. 14:05:18 <dluch> #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration 14:05:18 <dluch> #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs 14:05:18 <dluch> #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants 14:05:27 <rfrasur> #info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana 14:05:40 <adurrence> #info adurrence=April Durrence, NC Cardinal 14:05:51 <dluch> #topic Old and Ongoing Business 14:05:56 <dluch> #info Check-in - How is everyone doing? 14:05:56 <dluch> How are things where you are? 14:06:02 <alynn26> I am still working on the Survey documentation. 14:06:18 <alynn26> Things are going good. Busy 14:06:33 <dluch> alynn26++ 14:06:48 <kgmartin> I am doing well & have a bit of time this afternoon if anyone has a bitesize project idea :) 14:06:56 <abneiman> I took a covid test today since I was a poll worker for three days... my nose still hurts, lol (sorry for the TMI) 14:07:08 <adurrence> ouch! 14:07:13 <dluch> Awesome. kgmartin++ 14:07:21 <dluch> Ugh, abneiman, i'm sorry! 14:07:35 <abneiman> eh, better safe than sorry 14:07:44 <jweston> abneiman++ for doing hero work at the polls 14:07:59 <dluch> I actually am still occasionally getting nosebleeds from the second one I had. (but not the other two) 14:08:00 <kgmartin> I was SO not prepared for how weird the brain swab is! 14:08:10 <dluch> abneiman++ for civic duty@ 14:08:14 <dluch> ! 14:08:23 <abneiman> brain_swab-- 14:08:34 <dluch> for sure 14:08:43 <rfrasur> abneiman++ 14:08:46 <dluch> How were things at the polls? 14:09:57 <abneiman> fine - busy. Everyone was pretty chill. No shenanigans (phew). 14:10:39 <dluch> That's good! Definitely phew. I didn't hear of anything around here, either, fortunately. 14:10:58 <dluch> Okay, let's keep moving... 14:11:01 <dluch> #info Previous Action Items 14:11:01 <dluch> How are we doing on these? Has anyone had time for anything? 14:11:01 <dluch> I'll take them in order... 14:11:16 <dluch> #1 sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section 14:11:28 <dluch> I don't think sandbergja is on IRC right now... 14:11:47 <dluch> #action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section 14:12:06 <dluch> #2 dluch will update the style guide to reflect new header stuff 14:12:09 <dluch> I did not do this. But, abneiman, I think that was part of the wiki updating you did? 14:12:27 <abneiman> yes! I did sweep that up into my wiki updates 14:12:52 <dluch> Awesome, thank you!! 14:12:59 <jihpringle> #info jihpringle = Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka) 14:13:09 <dluch> #3 dluch will send a message to the docs list to ask for video documentation contributions to the community YouTube channel 14:13:29 <dluch> I still did not do that. I will during collaboration time, if we have it. Sorry, lol 14:13:50 <dluch> #4 DIG will participate in the fall Hack-a-Way and particularly focus on 3.6 docs 14:13:50 <dluch> I'm going to skip this one, because we have an agenda item next up to talk about the Hack-a-Way 14:14:14 <dluch> #5 abneiman will update the wiki with new Antora info 14:14:19 <dluch> I know that abneiman did this - do you have anything you want to report about? 14:14:50 <abneiman> Style Guide is fully updated with info about header sytax, xref syntax, and a few other goodies 14:14:54 <jweston> abneiman++ nice job 14:15:21 <dluch> abneiman++++++++ 14:15:26 <jweston> confirming link to style guide -- correct? https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_style_guide 14:15:35 <abneiman> I put a few fixme tags on this page because some of these steps need to be revised: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation 14:15:48 <abneiman> jweston: that's correct 14:16:03 <dluch> Beat me to it, jweston, lol 14:16:42 <abneiman> and there was one other thing (looking) 14:17:29 <dluch> abneiman, does someone need to volunteer to do the Fixme tags? Or can anyone do them? Is that something someone could work on today? 14:18:12 <dluch> I thought there was one other thing, too, but couldn't find it, lol 14:18:14 <abneiman> dluch: anyone can look at them but I think they would need a Bmagic or sandbergja to verify 14:18:55 <dluch> Okay, cool. Neither of them are here, so maybe we can revisit that next month? 14:18:59 <abneiman> ahhhh! it was this: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:github-workflow 14:19:25 <abneiman> I added a few Antora-y things to that page ^^ as well 14:19:28 <dluch> Yay! 14:19:46 <kgmartin> +abnieman ++ that will be super-helpful! 14:19:57 <abneiman> +1 to revisit next month. I didn't know which edits needed to be made, but I didn't want to leave it as accurate (because I know it isn't) so FIXME it is 14:20:00 <kgmartin> (with apologies for misspelling your last name) 14:20:18 <abneiman> :) 14:20:54 <dluch> #info abneiman added Antora info to these pages: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_style_guide, https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation, https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:github-workflow 14:21:43 <dluch> #action https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation has fixme tags that need to be addressed 14:22:01 <dluch> abneiman++ Thank you so much! 14:22:15 <dluch> #info Hack-a-Way follow-up 14:22:31 <dluch> I ended up being out sick for a good part of the Hack-a-Way, so didn't get any 3.6 docs done. But the talk about Antora went well, I think, as did the DIG strategy session! 14:22:50 <dluch> Thank you to abneiman, alynn26, sandbergja, and Bmagic for keeping the DIG fires burning at the Hack-a-Way! (and anyone else I forgot!) 14:23:05 <dluch> abneiman++ 14:23:05 <dluch> sandbergja++ 14:23:05 <dluch> alynn26++ 14:23:06 <dluch> Bmagic++ 14:23:20 <abneiman> #info DIG strategy notes doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w8iJF9RhsZL0XJ1JelQPquZIOMnjE9fOl14TyDl_bMc/edit?usp=sharing 14:23:22 <dluch> (and if you haven't heard, sandbergja saved us all! ;-( )) 14:23:34 <dluch> There were some tasks that came out of the strategy session, agenda/notes for which can be found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w8iJF9RhsZL0XJ1JelQPquZIOMnjE9fOl14TyDl_bMc/edit?ts=5f99ce7f 14:23:40 <rfrasur> Thanks to all of you did so much DIGging during the hackaway. This was the most informative one for me (ever) and much appreciated. 14:23:44 <dluch> Oops, lol. What abneiman said 14:24:10 <dluch> I'm going to add a couple of action items from the strategy doc there 14:24:25 <dluch> #action dluch and jweston will look at the wiki's Documentation Needs List (linked at the beginning) to ensure that undocumented features listed are still relevant in the 3.6 context. Also, go through 3.6 and see what other documentation is missing from it. 14:24:36 <jweston> abneiman++ alynn26++ Bmagic++ rfrasur++ and especially sandbergja++ (for, you know, saving us all) during hack-a-way 14:24:43 <dluch> #action abneiman will find and fix orphan pages and other nav issues 14:25:02 <dluch> #action Bmagic will add “email us about this page” link to all pages 14:25:20 <dluch> There are some other things on the document, but I think those were the main ones assigned to particular people that aren't already done. 14:25:20 <dluch> Did I miss any? 14:25:42 <dluch> rfruasur++ That's great to year! 14:25:57 <dluch> What else would folks like to say about the Hack-a-Way? 14:26:46 <jweston> Having a dedicated DIG session for the whole event was great (even though I didn't get there as often as planned) 14:27:02 <abneiman> I had put this in the agenda under new bix, but technically it's a followup from Hackaway and therefore really Old Biz: JBoyer has enabled the BOOPAC on Equinox's 3.6 public demo server 14:27:08 <abneiman> JBoyer++ 14:27:21 <dluch> Yay! JBoyer++ 14:27:29 <jihpringle> JBoyer++ 14:27:31 <dluch> jweston: I liked that, too! 14:27:38 <rfrasur> It was weird and cool and sandbergja++ is basically amazing. Her YouTube video about GitHub was super helpful. 14:27:39 <jihpringle> and abneiman++ for asking :) 14:28:05 <rfrasur> JBoyer++ 14:28:06 <jweston> JBoyer++ enabling BOOPAC and abneiman++ for BOOPAC name 14:28:10 <rfrasur> BOOPAC++ 14:28:18 <kgmartin> hehe 14:28:21 <dluch> rfrasur: Right?! I have that one bookmarked on my browser bar 14:28:31 <abneiman> I mean, I was just following established naming conventions ;-) 14:28:36 <dluch> lol BOOPAC++ 14:29:48 <dluch> #info Antora update 14:29:48 <dluch> Other than things in the strategy document, anything else we need to talk about? 14:30:14 <abneiman> I can't think of anything right now, other than what's in the doc 14:30:28 <dluch> That's all I could think of, too 14:30:41 <dluch> Any other old or ongoing business to discuss? 14:31:15 <dluch> Okay, moving on... 14:31:15 <dluch> #topic New Business 14:31:30 <dluch> #info Change in meeting format 14:31:46 <dluch> This came up at the strategy meeting, than maybe we could do a Zoom/Meet/whatever meeting every other month, to have some "in person" discussions. There were votes for both doing business via video and collab time on IRC and vice versa. 14:31:55 <dluch> Discuss. 14:32:22 <abneiman> +1 to having a bimontly (or at least quarterly) F2F DIG meeting 14:32:42 <kgmartin> +1 screen sharing capability is nice for collaborative work as well 14:33:31 <abneiman> I lean slightly towards having collab F2F and kepe busincess on IRC (due to its minutes feature) 14:33:37 <abneiman> ....except without all the typos 14:33:47 <dluch> kgmartin and abneiman: that was kinda my thought, too. Might be easier to work on stuff together 14:34:01 <dluch> Plus Meetbot is the bomb 14:34:31 <jihpringle> I think that makes sense and in the F2F we could do demos/presentations like some of the other interest groups are doing as well as collaboration 14:34:51 <dluch> jihpringle++ that's a great idea! 14:35:06 <abneiman> jihpringle++ 14:35:10 <jweston> +1 to all suggestions -- bus meetings on IRC and F2F for planned collaboration & screen sharing meetings (bimonthly or quarterly) 14:35:14 <kgmartin> jihpringle++ 14:35:16 <abneiman> love the ideas of doing demos, especially for new diggers 14:35:45 <rfrasur> also +1 to all suggestions 14:35:55 <dluch> Okay, so can we just do this by acclaimation, or does anyone feel the need for a formal vote? 14:35:58 <kgmartin> We have been doing demos and collaborative work sessions for the cataloging group in SPARK and it's quite nice. 14:36:06 <dluch> [I'm all for acclaimation, lol.] 14:36:21 <dluch> kgmartin: Cool! 14:36:26 <abneiman> as long as we document the decision (no pun intended) +1 for acclaimation 14:36:33 <jweston> +1 acclaimation 14:37:05 <jihpringle> and we'd have the options to record the F2F as well (being able to watch the cat working groups ones that I couldn't attend has been great) 14:37:15 <jihpringle> +1 to acclaimation 14:37:18 <alynn26> +1 14:38:19 <dluch> #info DIG decided by acclaimation to moving to having months with collaboration meetings using a F2F/screen sharing platform and business meetings on IRC 14:38:39 <dluch> (I think there's a different tag, but I can't remember it...) 14:38:55 <rfrasur> #results? 14:39:04 <dluch> Oh. #agreed DIG decided by acclaimation to moving to having months with collaboration meetings using a F2F/screen sharing platform and business meetings on IRC 14:39:06 * rfrasur shrugs 14:39:16 <rfrasur> dluch++ 14:39:19 <dluch> I think. lol 14:39:42 <dluch> Cool. I have access to both Zoom and Meet. Anyone have a preference? 14:40:07 <abneiman> I can also offer Meet, as well as GoToMeeting 14:40:11 <dluch> Or, we could try one next month, then the other in January 14:40:21 <dluch> I mean, February 14:40:39 <dluch> (Holy $#@#, y'all, it's almost 2021) 14:41:06 <jweston> bright side - that means 2020 is almost over 14:41:12 * rfrasur laughs 14:41:15 <jihpringle> :) 14:41:19 <abneiman> December DIG year-end F2F meeting & social hour? 14:41:21 <dluch> definitely a good thing 14:41:26 <rfrasur> social week? 14:41:31 <dluch> Oooo, abneiman++ 14:41:42 <kgmartin> abneiman++ 14:41:43 <abneiman> lol rfrasur 14:41:54 <alynn26> +1 for social hour 14:42:04 <adurrence> abneiman++ 14:42:04 <jweston> abneiman++ excellent plan 14:42:12 <dluch> Cool! Let's do that. 14:42:31 <dluch> #agreed December DIG meeting will be F2F social hour! 14:42:42 <rfrasur> abneiman++ # you got the best ideas 14:42:51 <dluch> Okay, I'll set something up and send it to the DIG list. 14:42:59 <abneiman> and here I always thought I wasn't a vision person 14:43:17 <dluch> lol 14:44:04 <dluch> #info News Item: JBoyer has enabled the BOOPAC for the 3.6 public demo @ demo.evergreencatalog.com 14:44:22 <dluch> abneiman mentioned this in the hackaway discussion earlier, but here it is with an info tag. 14:44:36 <dluch> abneiman: Anything else we need to know related to this? 14:44:56 <abneiman> dluch: nope 14:45:04 <dluch> Sweet 14:45:19 <dluch> abneiman++ JBoyer++ 14:45:22 <dluch> Is there any other new business we need to discuss? 14:46:46 <dluch> #topic Collaboration time 14:46:46 <dluch> What is everyone planning to work on today? Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other. If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary. 14:46:55 <dluch> We have 15 minutes 14:47:17 <dluch> Here's the I made a list of ideas you can work on (alone or with others) if you don't already have something. I know it can be kind of overwhelming sometimes to know where to start. 14:47:23 <alynn26> I will be sending a survey out about the Hack-a-way. 14:47:38 <dluch> Oops. *Here's the list I made... 14:48:29 <abneiman> I apparently missed a set of docs in my big 3.6 push so I'm going to correct the two missed ones and add them to my to-be-merged pile 14:49:03 <dluch> -your own priority projects 14:49:03 <dluch> -3.6 docs 14:49:03 <dluch> -experimental catalog docs 14:49:03 <dluch> -cleaning up old docs tickets on Launchpad 14:49:03 <dluch> -finding docs tickets on Launchpad to work on 14:49:04 <dluch> -easy tasks from Documentation Needs List 14:49:05 <dluch> -auditing and removing finished or irrelevant items from the Documentation Needs List and/or adding 3.6 documentation needs 14:49:10 <dluch> -still-relevant items from the Documentation Needs List (be sure to assign yourself to it so we don't duplicate work) 14:49:12 <dluch> -documentation-related short videos for the community YouTube channel 14:49:14 <dluch> -looking through existing docs for things that need updating - text and/or images 14:49:23 <dluch> alynn26++ 14:49:26 <dluch> abneiman++ 14:49:56 <jweston> dluch++ great list -- saving for later :) 14:50:05 <dluch> I am going to go email the docs list about contributing video documentation, lol 14:50:11 <dluch> :-) 14:52:17 <abneiman> ... apparently I managed to get the image files in correctly but I failed to push the revised adoc. Go figure. 14:52:55 <jweston> alynn26 from hack-a-way list of old stuff not asciidoc'd, do you have updated doc for Local Admin --> Surveys? someone asked me about that recently (don't remember who) but it would be good to add that back 14:54:36 <adurrence> I created 3 circ training modules with short videos, but not sure whether any would be useful to larger community. Anyone is welcome to take a look and leave a comment. Circ module 1: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/ffa35550-08b9-4d2e-b66a-5f1a6bf86583/review 14:54:37 <adurrence> https://360.articulate.com/review/content/ffa35550-08b9-4d2e-b66a-5f1a6bf86583/review 14:55:11 <adurrence> Circ module 2: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/e72a5e39-5c66-4abd-917b-d6bba0f95ffc/review 14:55:20 <jweston> adurrence++ fantastic! 14:55:32 <alynn26> jweston, I am currently working on an updated version of this. I have it for before it was angularized. 14:55:34 <adurrence> Circ module 3: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/3a9c12a0-118a-46e1-ae2a-fd0ab46d0858/review 14:55:57 <dluch> abneiman: Do you remember (I can't find it ATM in the Outreach Comm. meeting minutes)...if people have documentation videos to submit to the community YouTube channel, how are they supposed to do that? Send 'em to rhamby, or did we decide on a different workflow? 14:56:14 <dluch> adurrence++ awesome!! 14:56:20 <adurrence> Yes, rhamby said dropbox 14:56:28 <adurrence> I save it somewhere, I think :/ 14:56:29 <abneiman> yeah, send to rhamby 14:56:44 <abneiman> adurrence++ # yay videos! 14:56:46 <jihpringle> adurrence those look really cool! 14:56:54 <adurrence> Thanks! 14:56:56 <dluch> abneiman: Thanks! 14:57:27 <adurrence> Feel free to share widely, if anyone you know would find useful! 14:58:22 <adurrence> If you think any of the videos would be good for EG YouTube channel or if they need reshoot or edit, let me know feedback good/bad, all okay! 15:00:03 <jihpringle> will do :) 15:00:37 <dluch> We are at time. 15:00:58 <jihpringle> for the experimental catalogue in 3.6 how do we want to handle the docs? we originally talked about doing a separate section and calling it experimental but it's not anymore in 3.6 15:01:19 <dluch> Next meeting will be December 3. Face to Face! 15:01:48 <dluch> Thanks for coming, everyone! Feel free to continue working together. 15:01:50 <dluch> #endmeeting