15:00:11 #startmeeting 2025-04-08 - Developer Meeting 15:00:11 Meeting started Tue Apr 8 15:00:11 2025 US/Eastern. The chair is shulabramble. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:11 The meeting name has been set to '2025_04_08___developer_meeting' 15:00:23 #topic Introductions 15:00:36 #info Shula Link - Greater Clarks Hill Regional Library 15:00:54 #info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, Evergreen Collaborative Development Initiative (ECDI) 15:01:02 #info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES 15:01:06 #info berick Bill Erickson, KCLS 15:01:09 I almost spelled my own name wrong just now 15:01:09 #info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL 15:01:11 #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox 15:01:18 #info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE 15:01:19 #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS 15:01:23 terranm: saaaame 15:01:35 #info mantis = Gina Monti, Bibliomation 15:01:44 #info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS 15:01:49 #info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) 15:01:50 #info sleary = Stephanie Leary, Equinox 15:02:10 #info mdriscoll = Martha Driscoll, NOBLE 15:03:02 Latecomers feel free to continue introductions! 15:03:10 #topic Action Items from Last Meeting 15:03:14 #info briank = Brian Kennedy, BCLC 15:03:27 #topic eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets 15:05:16 Should we maybe remove that one as an action item? 15:05:28 maybe we should. 15:05:38 general opinion of the room? 15:06:19 +1 to remove 15:06:55 +1 15:06:57 can always add it back 15:07:04 +1 15:07:35 +1 15:07:57 #agree remove the action item cf. the cross-column stats targets bug for now 15:08:12 #topic Dyrcona will look into bug 2051946 15:08:13 Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen 3.14 "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 15:09:19 as dyrcona isn't here, let's kick that along 15:09:25 #action Dyrcona will look into bug 2051946 15:09:26 Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen 3.14 "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 15:09:26 Fix has been committed for that 15:09:44 OH I never learned to read, apparently. 15:09:57 :) 15:10:05 moving on! 15:10:06 Dyrcona++ 15:10:16 #topic abneiman will follow up with gmcharlt cf. git POeditor integration 15:10:46 this has been done and I believe gmcharlt followed up with appripriate parties - Dyrcona, can you confirm? 15:11:05 Dyrcona isn't here. 15:11:22 abneiman++ 15:11:31 oh well, "not-reading is fundamental" is today's theme >_< 15:11:49 anyway I think this is done, unless told to the contrary 15:12:04 yay! 15:12:15 #topic Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account 15:12:45 I did some poking around 15:13:04 defer for next time 15:13:17 #action Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account 15:13:27 #topic sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month 15:13:39 still in progress, actual progress being made, still not done 15:13:48 #action sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month 15:14:23 #topic abneiman will discuss moving the developer's meeting with shulabramble and poll the community 15:14:30 we discussed this! 15:14:56 and we will table this till later since as of now, Shula is the dev meeting leader & without av computer things 15:15:07 so, this can be struck for now 15:15:20 this may be changing, with luck. 15:15:30 and you know, maybe next time it won't take me six months to talk about it 15:16:27 if my situation changes, I'll bring up moving the meeting so we won't have to wait six months :) 15:16:35 abneiman++ shulabramble++ 15:16:36 shulabramble++ 15:17:08 #topic Dyrcona will look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2073561 15:17:09 Launchpad bug 2073561 in Evergreen 3.14 "Incorrect content in the config.coded_value_map after applying the upgrade script from 3.12.3 to 3.13.0" [High,Fix committed] 15:17:29 Okay, fix committed! 15:17:34 Dyrcona++ 15:17:52 #topic Updates 15:18:46 #topic Evergreen 15:18:57 #topic Thanks to Terran et al. for a very successful Feedback Fest! FBF stats 15:19:08 #topic 3.15-rc built this morning (thank you Galen!) and is being tested this afternoon, with release announcement & merge un-pause expected later today 15:19:17 #topic No merges to 3.15 branch unless they are critical bugfixes, lint fixes, or documentation 15:19:20 Yay Feedback Festers! 15:19:26 Festers doesn't sound nice 15:19:30 #topic 3.15.0 is slated for release next Wednesday 16th, as is 3.14.5 and 3.13.10 15:19:39 Festers sounds awful but I kinda like it 15:19:42 terranm++ # Thank you for managing Feedback Fest! 15:19:48 terranm++ 15:19:48 terranm++ 15:19:56 release_team_3.15++ 15:20:01 gmcharlt++ abneiman++ 15:20:05 terranm++ feedback-festers++ 15:20:13 gmcharlt++ abneiman++ 15:20:15 terranm++ 15:20:27 And Bmagic++ and JBoyer++ for building test servers! 15:20:36 bmagic++ jboyer++ 15:20:38 do we want to talk about point releases next week? 15:20:41 Bmagic++ JBoyer++ 15:20:55 abneiman, honestly? I'm not sure. Just one sec. 15:21:35 Okay, so we have volunteers for everything. Basically 15:22:16 redavis++ 15:22:28 I do think it would be good to coordinate a little in terms of the uploading. We needs someone with lupin access to step forward. 15:23:02 Unless Bmagic has it - and he does 15:23:22 I'll do it 15:23:25 So he might also be able to do the 3.15.0 uploads as well. 15:23:30 bmagic++ 15:23:31 Bmagic++ 15:23:35 Bmagic++ 15:24:07 If possible, it would be nice to have a joint meeting of release teams, recognizing there's some overlap. Just to make sure we're not getting into one another's way(s). 15:24:52 there's at least three of us on both 15:24:59 redavis, mantis, me 15:25:45 Exactly. So the choreography will be both beautiful and potentially crazy. 15:25:59 a Bob Fosse release. 15:26:02 lol 15:26:16 * sleary shimmies 15:26:17 There will be two point releases - to 3.14.5 and 3.13.10 15:26:27 And, of course, 3.15.0 15:26:59 abneiman, can we poll for a meeting at the beginning of next week? 15:27:29 redavis: yeah I'll do that *jazz hands* 15:27:45 or whenever *waves hands vaguely at an imaginary calendar and time as a construct* 15:27:53 abneiman++ 15:27:59 abneiman++ 15:28:16 It'll be action packed. Tell your friends. Wear sensible shoes and bring a waterproof jacket. 15:28:37 correction, tap shoes and a sequin jacket that'll sparkle under the stage lights. 15:28:51 I was gonna say, I thought we were going for crazy / beautiful 15:28:56 I'll wear the sequins 15:29:00 This is why we need video meetings 15:29:09 :-D 15:29:29 * shulabramble has her fingers crossed for potential news and changes. 15:29:32 I mean...that could work. Crazy/beautiful for me often includes manure and a fingernail brush. 15:29:53 that movie had a great soundtrack... 15:30:01 ANYWAY 15:30:05 lol!!! 15:30:59 any further point release/3.15 business to discuss? 15:31:11 Not unless you want more :D 15:31:49 only if we're sticking with the theatrical theme. my b.a. is in drama, after all. 15:32:03 but otherwise, please prepare for a wall of text. 15:32:21 #topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) 15:32:22 #topic Snapshot 15:32:22 #info Open Bugs - 3257 15:32:23 #info Pullrequests - 62 15:32:24 #info Signedoff - 36 15:32:24 #info Needswork - 98 15:32:24 #info Needstestplan - 3 15:32:25 #info Needsrebase - 25 15:32:26 #topic Updates Since Last Meeting 15:32:26 #info Bugs Added - 82 15:32:26 #info Pullrequest tag Added - 74 15:32:27 #info Signedoff tag Added - 77 15:32:27 #info Needswork tag Added - 18 15:32:28 #info Needstestplan tag Added - 1 15:32:28 #info Needsrebase tag Added - 10 15:32:29 #info Fix Committed - 67 15:32:51 * mmorgan added a last minute Hatch topic: bug 2076921 15:32:52 Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076921 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) 15:33:09 Ooops! 15:33:15 #topic Hatch 15:33:23 #topic Can bug 2076921 be marked Fix Released or is there more to do? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2076921 15:33:37 I believe that's done and fixed, new release is deployed, nothing exploded! 15:33:43 I'll mark it as such. 15:33:51 jeff++ 15:33:59 jeff++ berick++ 15:34:05 jeff++ berick++ 15:34:05 berick++ 15:34:08 Since there weren't changes required to Evergreen itself, there's no real "included in release X" 15:34:11 berick++ 15:34:31 the Hatch branch still needs merging 15:35:23 ah. drat. ok, I'll do that also. did we need/want to bump the version in the Firefox extension "store"? I don't think anything needed to change... 15:35:45 oh yeah which may mean modifing the Firefox build docs 15:35:57 sicne there's an alternate manifest 15:36:33 I'll wrap things up in the next few days with berick's help, as soon as Launchpad stops throwing ISEs. 15:36:45 jeff++ 15:36:52 jeff++ # i'm around 15:37:01 berick++ 15:37:03 berick++ again 15:38:07 ah. #launchpad topic says: "Launchpad DB OS upgrade - planned outage coming up, some services stopped in preparation" 15:38:20 jeff++ berick++ 15:38:28 launchpad-- 15:39:50 Okay, moving on then? 15:39:55 #topic New Business 15:39:58 * jeff nods 15:40:02 Any last minute new business? 15:41:35 conference developer update? 15:41:43 as in, any volunteers to do said? 15:41:53 since this is our last mtg before the conference 15:41:57 * redavis watches and reads. 15:42:41 abneiman, would you be willing? 15:43:09 sure, but happy to hand it off if anyone else would like to do it 15:43:13 cuz you have so much free time (this is not true) 15:43:24 looooooooollllllllllllsssssooooobbbbb 15:44:16 well if anyone gets a compelling urge to do the dev update let me know, otherwise I'll pencil it in 15:44:16 abneiman++ (infinite) 15:44:27 abneiman++ 15:44:34 abneiman++ 15:45:20 historically, the last dev meeting before the conference is quite early for selecting who speaks. ;-) 15:45:51 historically. unprecidented times, these. 15:45:59 jeff, this is a fair point 15:46:03 * shulabramble is missing the conference this year because of unprecedented times locally. 15:46:29 and I recall more than a few conferences where slides were slapped together the night before, perhaps with an assist from some alcohol 15:46:39 unprecedented? (IRC, why no spellcheck for the redavises?) 15:46:48 unpresidented 15:46:51 alcohol++ 15:47:01 procrastination++ 15:47:01 abneiman I thought that was part of the tradition 15:47:20 listen, if y'all want to take it back in the name of Tradition, I will NOT stand in the way 15:47:37 * redavis invokes alfred e. neuman. 15:47:49 * shulabramble starts singing "Tradition". 15:48:03 ...like a developer on the roof. 15:48:08 (and still 13 minutes to go) 15:48:13 (12) 15:48:35 okay, moving on then... 15:48:41 #topic Announcements 15:48:47 and who writes dev updates 15:48:48 while drinking all the beer? 15:48:48 delivering some slides 15:48:48 that might not all be clear 15:48:48 the developerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs the developers! Tradition! 15:48:53 #info Next Meeting is 13 May 2025 15:48:57 lol!!! 15:49:00 abneiman++ 15:49:04 abneiman++ 15:49:07 abneiman++ 15:50:27 Any further announcements? 15:50:46 * shulabramble sings "Signoff, rebase, signoff, rebase, swiftly go the bugs..." 15:51:17 shulabramble: we can 100% do a Fiddler-themed developer update 15:51:38 shulabramble++ 15:51:54 theatrics++ 15:52:12 okay, if there are no further announcements, then with eight minutes remaining. 15:52:15 #endmeeting